Bad Week For Aerosim

hc0fitted said:
Because you have so much experience with engine failures at night and landing on a highway? Especially considering your vast aeronautical experience as a private pilot. Right?? Ignorance lol :clap:
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It is easier to fly at night. Given a choice if I was flying in Florida I would land on a highway than one of those "dark spots". There be dragons (alligators) there.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
It is easier to fly at night. Given a choice if I was flying in Florida I would land on a highway than one of those "dark spots". There be dragons (alligators) there.
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I think your missing the point. It is not even about flying at night or day. It is about having a engine can on you and maintaining good ADM. If you haven't experienced something for yourself, you shouldn't be running off at the mouth about whats easy and whats not what. Or what "you would have done". You were not in the seat flying.
 
hc0fitted said:
I think your missing the point. It is not even about flying at night or day. It is about having a engine can on you and maintaining good ADM. If you haven't experienced something for yourself, you shouldn't be running off at the mouth about whats easy and whats not what. Or what "you would have done". You were not in the seat flying.
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I never said executing an emergency landing wasn't a great thing, just that I wouldn't give someone extra credit for it being at night in THAT particular area because visibility is NOT an issue then. Some places are REALLY dark and it would be much harder to find a landing location. The highways around here are so light it would be hard to miss them, plus you would know exactly where the cars were because they would have lights on. It may actually be harder to spot the actual cars in the daytime.
 
amjon- are you kidding me with your comments? you make it seem like it was the pilot's fault for the engine seizing. Yes, the engine seized- it was not fuel exhaustion. Any pilot that can safely land an airplane with an engine failure- day or night- has displayed exemplary airmanship. Have you ever had an actual engine failure? Speaking from experience- it's not like "training" where the engine can magically fix itself.. your adrenaline is PUMPING, your life flashes before your eyes, and you have only one shot to make a successful plan and put the airplane somewhere safe.
 
amjon said:
I never said executing an emergency landing wasn't a great thing, just that I wouldn't give someone extra credit for it being at night in THAT particular area because visibility is NOT an issue then. Some places are REALLY dark and it would be much harder to find a landing location. The highways around here are so light it would be hard to miss them, plus you would know exactly where the cars were because they would have lights on. It may actually be harder to spot the actual cars in the daytime.
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Trust me, I would rather have an engine failure during the day time, Yes, even in Florida (from someone who lost his engine in the middle of the night in a single engine piston).


Kudos to the Pilot
 
amjon said:
I never said executing an emergency landing wasn't a great thing, just that I wouldn't give someone extra credit for it being at night in THAT particular area because visibility is NOT an issue then. Some places are REALLY dark and it would be much harder to find a landing location. The highways around here are so light it would be hard to miss them, plus you would know exactly where the cars were because they would have lights on. It may actually be harder to spot the actual cars in the daytime.
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You still dont get it. Like talking to a wall. Tell ya what, let me know when you have a engine go on you in a single engine piston then we will probably have something to talk about.
 
statusseeker1 said:
amjon- are you kidding me with your comments? you make it seem like it was the pilot's fault for the engine seizing. Yes, the engine seized- it was not fuel exhaustion. Any pilot that can safely land an airplane with an engine failure- day or night- has displayed exemplary airmanship. Have you ever had an actual engine failure? Speaking from experience- it's not like "training" where the engine can magically fix itself.. your adrenaline is PUMPING, your life flashes before your eyes, and you have only one shot to make a successful plan and put the airplane somewhere safe.
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Did you NOT read what I just wrote? I never said it WAS the pilot's fault. One of the articles did point to fuel exhaustion, which would usually come down to pilot error.
 
amjon said:
Did you NOT read what I just wrote? I never said it WAS the pilot's fault. One of the articles did point to fuel exhaustion, which would usually come down to pilot error.
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Devil's advocate: The crew of an Air Transat Airbus 330 was admitted to the Order of the Daedilians subsequent to their fuel leak induced fuel exhaustion.
 
To get the facts straight, it was not fuel exhaustion. The engine did in fact fail. The cause was something to do with the internals, that would never even be seen during a 100h or annual inspection, and just maybe be caught during an overhaul. This is only the 3rd cirrus that this has happened to in 120,000 hours. In no way was the school nor the pilot to be blaimed.
 
CirrusPilot said:
To get the facts straight, it was not fuel exhaustion. The engine did in fact fail. The cause was something to do with the internals, that would never even be seen during a 100h or annual inspection, and just maybe be caught during an overhaul. This is only the 3rd cirrus that this has happened to in 120,000 hours. In no way was the school nor the pilot to be blaimed.
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Yeah, sometimes that stuff just happens. Good job by the pilot!
 
I don't fly single engine aircraft at night. I used to. I wised up and do not do it anymore. I will not put my family on a single engine aircraft at night. Not only is it hard to find a spot to land at night, it's also pure luck avoiding the power lines that cross highways. When I first learned to fly, my instructor taught me not to use a highway for an emergency landing unless there was absolutely no other choice because those power lines can rip a plane apart.

With that being said, I'll give kudos to anyone that can walk away from a single engine off airport landing at night.

Joe
 
JOEFRIDAY2 said:
I don't fly single engine aircraft at night. I used to. I wised up and do not do it anymore. I will not put my family on a single engine aircraft at night. Not only is it hard to find a spot to land at night, it's also pure luck avoiding the power lines that cross highways. When I first learned to fly, my instructor taught me not to use a highway for an emergency landing unless there was absolutely no other choice because those power lines can rip a plane apart.

With that being said, I'll give kudos to anyone that can walk away from a single engine off airport landing at night.

Joe
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I've never seen power lines over an interstate. They have a few of those signs over the interstate, but you should be able to spot that fairly easily.
 
amjon said:
I've never seen power lines over an interstate. They have a few of those signs over the interstate, but you should be able to spot that fairly easily.
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If you look close, they are there. You can see them from a car, but they are just about impossible to see from a plane.

Joe
 
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