DE727UPS
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Sorry Doug. I was speaking of WAW. We stay at a nice Marriot with a Champs. EWR? I'm happy to say I can't remember last time I stayed there. Maybe never did. Hope I never do.
As to the center hydraulic system failure in a 76. I read our checklist and it doesn't say land at nearest suitable. I remember back in the day it used to say with only one hydraulic system remaining, you are forced to land at nearest suitable. Now it doesn't even say that anymore. But it does say this:
There are some situations which always require landing at the nearest suitable airport. These situations include, but are not limited to, conditions where:
.The non-normal checklist contains the words “Plan to land at the nearest suitable airport.”
.Cabin smoke or fire which persists.
.One main AC power source remaining (such as engine or APU generator).
.Any other situation determined by the crew to present a significant adverse effect on safety if the flight is continued.
I like that last one....
A loss of any hydraulic system on a Boeing is a fairly rare event. You probably won't know what caused it. Is something else wrong? There are two power systems for Left and Right and the Center has three. The center system on a 76 is the most important of the three systems. It's one thing to press on if you lose a system going from SDF to ATL when it's day VFR. It's another to press on during a crossing. But I don't think I'd have faced a carpet dance had I turned around and came back.
I gotta add this as I mull it over in my head:
The 75/76 is a great airplane. Been on it over 10 years and the worst I've seen is flap asymmetry on landing and it was no big deal. The flipside is going to the sim once a year and all hell breaks loose. Each sim is a preplanned disaster. Sometimes you are in the sim and you run the checklist and you just play the game that you are supposed to land. That's what they want you to do in the sim. Takeoff, crap happens, then turn around and land. There have been times in the sim where I've just kinda played along and made the decision to land cause I think that's what they want. I think in real life you have to look at a lot of factors and do what you think is best. I don't blame the LOT crew for pressing on. The checklist doesn't say land. It just says turn the system off. Not sure if they felt pressured to continue for whatever reason but you start getting into a gray area of personal opinion of whats safe or not and that's what the PIC job is all about.
Never worry about the carpet dance when you make a call. You are doing what you think is safe and prudent at any given moment and, when it really boils down to it, that's what they pay you for.
As to the center hydraulic system failure in a 76. I read our checklist and it doesn't say land at nearest suitable. I remember back in the day it used to say with only one hydraulic system remaining, you are forced to land at nearest suitable. Now it doesn't even say that anymore. But it does say this:
There are some situations which always require landing at the nearest suitable airport. These situations include, but are not limited to, conditions where:
.The non-normal checklist contains the words “Plan to land at the nearest suitable airport.”
.Cabin smoke or fire which persists.
.One main AC power source remaining (such as engine or APU generator).
.Any other situation determined by the crew to present a significant adverse effect on safety if the flight is continued.
I like that last one....
A loss of any hydraulic system on a Boeing is a fairly rare event. You probably won't know what caused it. Is something else wrong? There are two power systems for Left and Right and the Center has three. The center system on a 76 is the most important of the three systems. It's one thing to press on if you lose a system going from SDF to ATL when it's day VFR. It's another to press on during a crossing. But I don't think I'd have faced a carpet dance had I turned around and came back.
I gotta add this as I mull it over in my head:
The 75/76 is a great airplane. Been on it over 10 years and the worst I've seen is flap asymmetry on landing and it was no big deal. The flipside is going to the sim once a year and all hell breaks loose. Each sim is a preplanned disaster. Sometimes you are in the sim and you run the checklist and you just play the game that you are supposed to land. That's what they want you to do in the sim. Takeoff, crap happens, then turn around and land. There have been times in the sim where I've just kinda played along and made the decision to land cause I think that's what they want. I think in real life you have to look at a lot of factors and do what you think is best. I don't blame the LOT crew for pressing on. The checklist doesn't say land. It just says turn the system off. Not sure if they felt pressured to continue for whatever reason but you start getting into a gray area of personal opinion of whats safe or not and that's what the PIC job is all about.
Never worry about the carpet dance when you make a call. You are doing what you think is safe and prudent at any given moment and, when it really boils down to it, that's what they pay you for.
