Service with a...smile?

I don't know what you are talking about! Fed Ex guys rock! I usually ask if I can sit up front. Talk to them about the job and land a few more contacts.... Great group of guys.


That aside, JB and SW are the absolute best....

As far as I'm concerned they rock being grumpy. I have yet to meet any super happy beaming (Jet FO style) way too sunny flight crews yet on Fedex. Maybe it's because I let them talk, and talk they do (contract talks/union or making fun of the 777 guys) and then I goto sleep in the back with my water. I'm always very thankful and I smile and that's about the most I try to "network".
 
There is a reason I fly Alaska. Consistently good service!

I jumpsat (Jumpseated?) Alaska last week and they were awesome. Gave me the big "commuter" bottle of water and they did three drink services on a 2 hour flight. Plus they kept trying to force feed me snacks and the food for sale stuff :)

I've had awesome experiences with USAirways, from the gate agents to the rampers to the pilots and the flight attendants.

It goes to say that one bad apple can wreck an airline.
 
I've had awesome experiences with USAirways, from the gate agents to the rampers to the pilots and the flight attendants.

I have too...as a jumpseater.

Being that I fly on a revenue ticket 99.9% of the time I travel (I probably jumpseat 1-2 times a year now), I've actually begun to notice how much better non-revs are treated compared to revenue passengers. I thoroughly enjoy looking up front and seeing a jumpseater (on a European vacation) ushered into a business class while the rest of us working crews are crammed into coach seats. Okay, I'm just jealous. Seems a little back-asswards though.
 
Who are we kidding they are all the worst. The CEO's don't care because they are still cashing the checks and passengers are still buying tickets. Anyway, business as usual.

It's not the going to work part that annoys me, it's the waiting 8 hours to go home.

Indeed, and I do agree with another post here about the majority of the sheep that ride these planes...inconsiderate, selfish and ignorant to the realities of the business
 
I work in food/bev which is quite a bit better than retail or the airlines in terms of customer/employee relations, but I still see it all.
that's cause we're afraid you'll spit (or worse) in our food!





Come ON! (just teasing ya)
 
I have too...as a jumpseater.

Being that I fly on a revenue ticket 99.9% of the time I travel (I probably jumpseat 1-2 times a year now), I've actually begun to notice how much better non-revs are treated compared to revenue passengers. I thoroughly enjoy looking up front and seeing a jumpseater (on a European vacation) ushered into a business class while the rest of us working crews are crammed into coach seats. Okay, I'm just jealous. Seems a little back-asswards though.

Don't take this the wrong way, but quite a few times while non-revving in business class to and from Asia and within Asia there were FedEx pilots deadheading in business class. Working crews just gotta have something that forces them up front.

That said I'll gladly walk a picket line with you guys to get a business class deadhead paragraph in your contract!
 
And dasleben I agree with you about non-revs being treated better than full-fare pax much of the time.

I just had vacation and flew on a few foreign airlines I hadn't tried yet and as always, the service was significantly better than US carriers.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but quite a few times while non-revving in business class to and from Asia and within Asia there were FedEx pilots deadheading in business class. Working crews just gotta have something that forces them up front.

That said I'll gladly walk a picket line with you guys to get a business class deadhead paragraph in your contract!

There's nothing to take the wrong way with what you said. I agree with you fully; being put in coach on international deadheads is completely ridiculous!

I'm not saying that we should be extended professional courtesy (though, it's nice!). Like I said, I'm not in uniform most of the time, and I don't identify myself to the FAs as a pilot. I simply think revenue should get first shot at free upgrades.
 
I have to say that it's mainly a US problem. I have flown extensively on Air France, Lufthansa, Qatar Airways, Emirates,... and have experienced mostly very good service. In the US not only you have to deal with the TSA, but also with the old grumpy FA's. The great thing about all this is that there so many options available to fly to and from the US than most foreigners chose to fly european or asian companies.
 
I have to say that it's mainly a US problem. I have flown extensively on Air France, Lufthansa, Qatar Airways, Emirates,... and have experienced mostly very good service. In the US not only you have to deal with the TSA, but also with the old grumpy FA's. The great thing about all this is that there so many options available to fly to and from the US than most foreigners chose to fly european or asian companies.

If cabotage ever becomes legal, the US airlines will go the way of US car manufacturers...and for the same reasons. Crap product that is similarly priced as one that doesn't suck.
 
If cabotage ever becomes legal, the US airlines will go the way of US car manufacturers...and for the same reasons. Crap product that is similarly priced (thanks to government subsides) as one that doesn't suck.

I'm not saying that pound for pound the US airlines would flatten the European ones, I can't pretend that, but I also have some trouble believing we could legally let them in and fly when their coffers are tied to the respective national treasury.

They are, for the most part, wildly different business models.
 
I'm not saying that pound for pound the US airlines would flatten the European ones, I can't pretend that, but I also have some trouble believing we could legally let them in and fly when their coffers are tied to the respective national treasury.

They are, for the most part, wildly different business models.

True...yet another reason why we would be screwed
 
I don't think this cabotage thing will ever happen. The US have a long tradition of protectionism and I doubt much european companies would venture in the US domestic market where there is basically no money to be made, and since they are already flying to most hubs, what's the point ?
 
I happen to know for a fact XJT put an ad on Craigslist for FA hiring last year. Perhaps the hiring standards and requirements have hit rock bottom? Im not knocking Craigslist but, I was a witness to what came out of that bunch. The rule with most airlines is one beverage service per hour on domestic flights. I would imagine an international flight would be the same.
 
As far as Airways international fleet goes, I've been on their A330-200 and 757-200. I can't comment on service really since the 330 was from CLT-PHL and the 757 was going to the Caribbean. However, both were awful interior wise, hands down worst legroom I have ever had in coach. It was only comparable only to Hawaiian's 717s...which don't do any flights longer than an hour, where as these things to places like Berlin and Tel Aviv. I'm only 6'1 and its almost unbearable, luckily both times I had no one in the middle seat next to me so I could stretch sideways.

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As far as other airlines go, I think it goes for all employees in all departments. This goes for United, Northwest, America West, Frontier, Delta, US Airways, a plethora of regionals, pretty much everyone I've ever flown on. I've seen gate agents get to the gate AT boarding time then say "we can't accommodate any seat changes, sorry" with open seats, because they didn't leave themselves any time to do anything but board. I've been in airplanes that had to wait for rampers for several minutes more times than I can remember, usually to see them walk out looking disgruntled, often with no wands, and not pay attention as the plane rolls in. I've seen MX called to the plane for a quick sign-off, only to be delayed 15 minutes because they took 25-30 to show up. I've seen F/A's do drink services on SFO-MRY/MOD(20 minute flights), yet say the flight is too short for one going to CIC and RDD(30-45 minute flights). I've seen 3 drink services in 3 hours, I've seen 1 in 5. I've even seen 3 SFO-FRA in BUISNESS on United, then probably close to 10 in COACH on Lufthansa on the way back. I've seen people misconnect to later hear pilots saying they didn't want to make up time because they wouldn't be paid the scheduled block time if they came in early, so I guess that extra 20 minutes of pay is worth stranding people in airports sometimes. I've overhead on Channel 9 on UA from ops "Sorry, we can't give you another gate, the ramp supervisors don't like their rampers having to move from one gate to another", so we wait 20-40 minutes.

Fact is, everyone likes to call each other lazy, but the majority of folks in the industry can be lazy themselves. I know I've gone to the soda machine after working 3 back-to-back flights then heard "77A at the gate looking for marshallers" and thought "they can hold a minute or two while I have something to drink, I'm exhausted", then slowly walked out there knowing the flight is late and people need to get off the plane. It's not often I don't bust my butt at work, but it happens. And its ok to have days like that sometimes, problem is, people get jaded and have those days all the time. And they get away with it because the people around them joke about their laziness and make it sound ok to do the bare minimum, because they themselves want to get away with it. What we end up with is a web of laziness in all departments and it shows. The only place I have never seen this is at Southwest, to their credit, and we all know that is the one company over most that is know to take care of its employees. I'm not the biggest fan of that company, but I think airline management around the US can learn a thing or two about the morale over there. If you treat your employees better and they feel like they want to preform for you, maybe they'll get to the gate on time to pre-plan a flight and meet the airplane, maybe they'll serve drinks with a smile on a flight where they can probably get away with not doing so, maybe they'll make up time on a late flight to leave the passengers with a positive impression after a lengthy delay. Problem is, as was already said, its all about spreadsheets and numbers here. So don't hold your breath.
 
I had the oppurtunity to fly on an RJ flight in Africa. The service on an RJ flight was better than any first class flight I have ever had in the US. On a two hour flight (N'Dola to Jo'berg) the service was great. We had unlimited alcohal, a good lunch, and great service. I was then lucky enough to get first class from Jo'berg-LHR-PHL on British. The service was absolutley incredible. I am hoping to never fly on a US Airline again!!

Alex.
 
Heh. I'm reminded of that great Louis CK bit where the guy sits down in economy class with his $99 ticket, unaware that there's free wifi on the airplane. Once they tell him and it fails to work..."OH THIS IS BULLPOOP". "How quickly the world owes him something". Every time I fly in the back of an airliner, I weep for the future.
 
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