Question about my ASES rating.

J_Hammastyx

J_Hammastyx

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Here's a question to all you CFI's out there. I am currently a Private/Instrument rated pilot building time to get to Commercial. I want to go get my ASES this week, but my question is this: if i get the ASES rating this week, and then my commercial when i get to 250, say by the end of the year, would i get commercial privileges for the ASES as well or would I have to re-take the ASES checkride to commercial standards (kinda like if you get multi private add-on, you have to retake the multi ride to comm standards) Thanks in advance for your insight
 
You will only have private privileges. If you wait until you have your CSEL you can get a CSES add-on.
 
On the other hand, if you get your private SES rating now, and get some PIC SES time along with building the total 250, then get a CSES add-on, you will actually have, maybe, some (enough) SES experience to actually do some CSES work, and not just have a quickie add-on.
The ball is in your court.
 
nosehair said:
On the other hand, if you get your private SES rating now, and get some PIC SES time along with building the total 250, then get a CSES add-on, you will actually have, maybe, some (enough) SES experience to actually do some CSES work, and not just have a quickie add-on.
The ball is in your court.
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This is good advice. SES is like tailwheel time, just having an endorsement or rating isn't of much interest to potential employers/clients/students, you need some experience to back it up... Since you're building time anyway, why not not build it in a SES and get more value from the $ spent.
 
rframe said:
This is good advice. SES is like tailwheel time, just having an endorsement or rating isn't of much interest to potential employers/clients/students, you need some experience to back it up... Since you're building time anyway, why not not build it in a SES and get more value from the $ spent.
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Agreed, but the downside is where in the world will you find a place that rents a seaplane without the instructor. That would • taking an instructor along until 250 hours.
 
flymike said:
You will only have private privileges. If you wait until you have your CSEL you can get a CSES add-on.
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Also, Insurance & rental requirements aside, if it's on your commercial certificate, you qualify to teach it (as far as the FAA is concerned) once you get your CFI certificate
 
Adler said:
Agreed, but the downside is where in the world will you find a place that rents a seaplane without the instructor. That would • taking an instructor along until 250 hours.
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Not too likely to get solo rental, but can put the dual time to good use... work on performance maneuvers for the Com ride, "if" it's got a six pack get an IPC or some more hood instrument time, get in the dual cross country flights for the Com, etc... kill multiple birds with one stone and get the value out of the instructor's time so that all that time you'd be spending anyway now goes under the SES column too. Be creative, make value.
 
Mike H said:
Also, Insurance & rental requirements aside, if it's on your commercial certificate, you qualify to teach it (as far as the FAA is concerned) once you get your CFI certificate
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Hmmm.. questions on this. I know you can teach tail, HP, endorsements with just a CFI, but SES is an add on rating same as MEL/S. You cannot teach MEL with just a plain CFI, so can you teach SES with a SES rating on your comm? I do think so.
And how about this scenario. If you take your CFI initial on floats, can you teach wheels? I would also think so given that S/MEL is on your comm.
 
z987k said:
Hmmm.. questions on this. I know you can teach tail, HP, endorsements with just a CFI, but SES is an add on rating same as MEL/S. You cannot teach MEL with just a plain CFI, so can you teach SES with a SES rating on your comm? I do think so.
And how about this scenario. If you take your CFI initial on floats, can you teach wheels? I would also think so given that S/MEL is on your comm.
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Yes.
 
I thought that if you get your SES, then you are qualified to give dual. However, that is not the case with SEL because you need the CFI.
 
z987k said:
Hmmm.. questions on this. I know you can teach tail, HP, endorsements with just a CFI, but SES is an add on rating same as MEL/S. You cannot teach MEL with just a plain CFI, so can you teach SES with a SES rating on your comm? I do think so.
And how about this scenario. If you take your CFI initial on floats, can you teach wheels? I would also think so given that S/MEL is on your comm.
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If you look at your CFI certificate, and it says, Flight Instructor, Airplane, Single Engine- not Airplane, Single Engine, Land (or Sea). So if you're a CFI ASE, and you have both ASEL and ASES on your commercial certificate, you can legally teach both as far as the FAA is concerned
 
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