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germb747 said:
I still hate that we go "off the clock". If you're not free to leave the airport, have a beer, and go home, as far as I'm concerned you're on duty and should be paid for it.
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It really depends on the company. AMF provides either a hotel or crew apartment and a car. This way we can go and do what we want during our waiting period. We are still on duty and can't drink, but just about anything else is available.

If you are forced to do something beyond your job you should be paid. This would include staying at the airport and mooching off FBOs for cookies. :)
 
Maurus said:
It really depends on the company. AMF provides either a hotel or crew apartment and a car. This way we can go and do what we want during our waiting period. We are still on duty and can't drink, but just about anything else is available.

If you are forced to do something beyond your job you should be paid. This would include staying at the airport and mooching off FBOs for cookies. :)
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I've never heard of a part 135 company that doesn't either provide a hotel or crew apartment for the outstation, unless it is a long run and you only have a couple hours downtime.
 
FlyingScot said:
Need to wash down the Far/AIMS with a beer tomorrow with breakfast and let dispatch figure it out. You need at least 9 hours duty rest per 24 hours.
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? True and I do like my corn flakes with O'Douls farm fresh .5%, but that wasn't directed at you if you thought it was.
 
Ok here is the way this works. The Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25 per hour. In the US, you must be paid at least the minimum wage for every hour you are required to be at work. This is no exception except they do not have to pay you for your lunch break. So if you are required to be at work at 8:30 AM and stay until 5:30 PM you must be paid for those hours (except for your lunch time) So let's assume you have an hour for lunch. That means you must be paid for 8.0 hours.

8 hours times 7.25= $58.00 So in this case you can not make less than $58.00 for the day of work that you are required to be there. If you have a couple of students and you get 3 hours in at $15 per hour then you will have made $45. The $45 is subtracted from the $58.00 and the employer would owe you an additional $13 for the day. If you got 4 hours of students at $15 per hour then you will have made $60 and that would be enough to satisify the minimum wage requirements and you would not be due any more--nor would you have to give back the "extra" $2 to your boss. Each day counts as a separate day and your employer can not carry over one day to another.

If you work over 40 hours per week then you must be paid overtime on anything OVER 40 hours. If you employer required you to work 8 hours a day for 7 days then you will have worked 56 hours. You would be due 16 hours of overtime at time and a half. Time and a half is $11.62 per hour at minimum wage. So if you worked 56 hours in a week, here is the least you can make under the federal minimum wage law:

40 hours at $7.25 = $290
16 hours at $11.62= $185.92

Total pay for one week = $475.92

The employer can pick any day to start the work week. However once that day is picked it can not be changed to skirt the minimum wage requirements.

If you are required to be at your employers facility during regular scheduled hours then you are a W2 employee. You can not be a 1099 Independent Contractor in this case.

If you set your own schedule, work when you want to work and are not required to be at your employers facility during any set time, then you can be a 1099 Independent Contractor.

Your minimum wage rights can not be waived or given up by you. The law is clear on this. You must make at least the federal minimum wage. The Department of Labor enforces this for you at no charge to you. All you need to do is file a claim, in your state, with the proper department if you have not been paid the federal minimum wage. The department will vary by state, but if you call your state unemployment commission, they will be able to direct you to the proper department in your state. (even if you are not unemployed)

Here is some more information about the minimum wage:

U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage

If you have been abused and not been paid the federal minimum wage then you are entitled to back wages for any amount you have not been paid the minimum wage. There is a time limit on this, so you will want to check with your local wage and hour department on this matter.

Folks, please don't let anyone take advantage of you and then not pay you for work you have performed.

Joe
 
And what about all these guys who pay to fly just to get hours?

Schools can just offer flight hours for flight instructors. This will happen when airline will need 1500 hours pilot.

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JOEFRIDAY2 said:
Ok here is the way this works. The Federal Minimum Wage is $7.25 per hour. In the US, you must be paid at least the minimum wage for every hour you are required to be at work. This is no exception except they do not have to pay you for your lunch break. So if you are required to be at work at 8:30 AM and stay until 5:30 PM you must be paid for those hours (except for your lunch time) So let's assume you have an hour for lunch. That means you must be paid for 8.0 hours.

8 hours times 7.25= $58.00 So in this case you can not make less than $58.00 for the day of work that you are required to be there. If you have a couple of students and you get 3 hours in at $15 per hour then you will have made $45. The $45 is subtracted from the $58.00 and the employer would owe you an additional $13 for the day. If you got 4 hours of students at $15 per hour then you will have made $60 and that would be enough to satisify the minimum wage requirements and you would not be due any more--nor would you have to give back the "extra" $2 to your boss. Each day counts as a separate day and your employer can not carry over one day to another.

If you work over 40 hours per week then you must be paid overtime on anything OVER 40 hours. If you employer required you to work 8 hours a day for 7 days then you will have worked 56 hours. You would be due 16 hours of overtime at time and a half. Time and a half is $11.62 per hour at minimum wage. So if you worked 56 hours in a week, here is the least you can make under the federal minimum wage law:

40 hours at $7.25 = $290
16 hours at $11.62= $185.92

Total pay for one week = $475.92

The employer can pick any day to start the work week. However once that day is picked it can not be changed to skirt the minimum wage requirements.

If you are required to be at your employers facility during regular scheduled hours then you are a W2 employee. You can not be a 1099 Independent Contractor in this case.

If you set your own schedule, work when you want to work and are not required to be at your employers facility during any set time, then you can be a 1099 Independent Contractor.

Your minimum wage rights can not be waived or given up by you. The law is clear on this. You must make at least the federal minimum wage. The Department of Labor enforces this for you at no charge to you. All you need to do is file a claim, in your state, with the proper department if you have not been paid the federal minimum wage. The department will vary by state, but if you call your state unemployment commission, they will be able to direct you to the proper department in your state. (even if you are not unemployed)

Here is some more information about the minimum wage:

U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Wages - Minimum Wage

If you have been abused and not been paid the federal minimum wage then you are entitled to back wages for any amount you have not been paid the minimum wage. There is a time limit on this, so you will want to check with your local wage and hour department on this matter.

Folks, please don't let anyone take advantage of you and then not pay you for work you have performed.

Joe
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I don't know about flight instructors specifically, but most transportation workers, including pilots, aren't required to be paid overtime. Other than that, you've provided good info. All the flight instructors at flight schools should be learning this.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
I've never heard of a part 135 company that doesn't either provide a hotel or crew apartment for the outstation, unless it is a long run and you only have a couple hours downtime.
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I don't think I have not been to an FBO without a freight dog living on the couch.
 
Inverted said:
We are not still on duty. We wouldn't be able to get legal rest if we were.
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Legal rest occurs at night on most of our runs. Because we don't get 9 hours of rest at the outstation it has to count toward our duty for the day. Not to mention we are technically on call during that time as we could do a special if the company needs us to.
 
Maurus said:
Legal rest occurs at night on most of our runs. Because we don't get 9 hours of rest at the outstation it has to count toward our duty for the day. Not to mention we are technically on call during that time as we could do a special if the company needs us to.
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All kidding about drinking out the outstation aside thats what the silent mode for your phone is for. 15 hour duty days suck. I consider my daily nap part of my necessary rest. Especially in winter or near the end of the week. If the run is needed there should be a reserve pilot available or someone who leaves their phone on.
I have flown most specials offered me but turned down some based on fatigue, without any questions.
 
AKcharger said:
What a bunch of idiots! how many more instructors will they go though before they change.
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Until they can't get anymore instructors to apply, or when turnover becomes too high and they realize something might be wrong. I seriously hope the OP follows suit on this flight school. This crap happens way too much at small outfits like this.

Sax
 
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