R-22's always fly low?

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Listening to my wife go through private training in a R-22, I have picked up a trend that all the instructors at her school have some unexplained taboo on taking it up above 2,000' AGL. They typically fly anywhere between 800-1200'AGL, even on cross-countries. Is there a reason for this as it seems pretty unsafe to fly around at suck low altitudes and having to dodge obstacles everywhere.
 
The helicopter world is below 1000 feet. Most all work involves low, slow, visual ground contact. There is no real reason to go any higher. All navigation is low pilotage/ded reckoning, and all emergencies are best handled low to the ground.
 
Listening to my wife go through private training in a R-22, I have picked up a trend that all the instructors at her school have some unexplained taboo on taking it up above 2,000' AGL. They typically fly anywhere between 800-1200'AGL, even on cross-countries. Is there a reason for this as it seems pretty unsafe to fly around at suck low altitudes and having to dodge obstacles everywhere.

I'll fly higher sometimes on XCs, terrain dependant, or if I need an instrument approach. Otherwise, no real need to do so.
 
A friend of mine flew a full coast to coast (New River to Pendleton) ccx in a CH-46E pretty much entirely below 1000' AGL. Think thats just how they roll....
 
So it sounds like it is just a cultural thing and no real operational reason. My wife thought of a good reason... To avoid the flow of airplanes, lol.
 
So it sounds like it is just a cultural thing and no real operational reason. My wife thought of a good reason... To avoid the flow of airplanes, lol.

Me thinks it's cause they are afraid of the clouds and not navigating by roadsigns
 
So it sounds like it is just a cultural thing and no real operational reason.
Actually, there are many moving parts (transmission, tail rotor, main rotor linkage, etc.) that may make a sudden descent to the ground look more attractive when you only have to get down 3-400 feet.

A Thousand feet is reeely high...
 
From a military helicopter perspective - it's mostly cultural unless a tactical need exists. Even the tactical need is debatable depending on a variety of factors as far as I'm concerned.

As Nosehair said, there are some possible mechanical emergencies that would make being close to the ground more desirable. Some that come to mind that are at least plausible are any kind of fire... and, that's about it. In the Chinook an aft transmission hot light means your aft transmission could easily catch on fire so I'd like to be low for that one too. Maybe a degradation of tail-rotor thrust too as it is very likely you could lose your tail rotor altogether. A complete tail rotor failure is going to require an autorotation and personally I'd like to be at altitude for an auto so I have a better chance of picking a good landing area... same goes for a dual engine failure (or even just a single engine failure if it's hot and I'm heavy with non-jettisonable cargo.)

Overall though, the slight possibility of one or two mechanical emergencies doesn't really see the argument to fly low when other mechanical emergencies would be handled better up high.

When I got back into helicopter flying after fixed wing flying I asked around about why pilots were selecting what altitude... rarely if ever did I get solid reasoning. I mean, unless an operational need exists such as doing rescue work, aerial firefighting, logging, tactical ingress/egress, etc, why fly at 500 agl? We fly IFR all the time at normal IFR altitudes above 3000 feet.

Tactically there are a significant number of reasons to fly higher. My first tour in both Afghanistan and Iraq saw the most common altitude at 50 ft agl. There were some okay reasons for doing so, but these days I think it makes sense to go higher. Without going into classified detail, our missile warning and defense systems work better at higher altitudes. Also, small arms and RPGs are far less effective at higher altitudes. Plus, when it's 120 degrees on the deck getting up a few thousand certainly feels better.

That being said, I'll completely contradict myself by saying in the States while VFR I generally fly at 500 - 1000 agl. The primary reason is because I'm lazy. In the 2000 and up range there is enough fixed wing traffic to make me feel I have to get flight following and the nature of our missions makes one more person to talk to that much more busy in the cockpit. A secondary reason is because of primacy. I was born and raised a helicopter pilot and you only go high when IFR. A tertiary reason is because it's fun. The view is a heck of a lot better at the AGLs than it is in the MSLs - and forget about the FLs. Heck, 500 agl seems high going point to point when in tactical training areas I'm down to 50 agl weaving through hills and valleys.

So even though I flip flopped on my own point, my saving grace is that at least I have a reason for whatever altitude I pick, no matter if it's high or low. :)
 
I heard that you have very little time to lower the collective and start the autorotation on the R-22 if you have an engine failure.
 
I heard that you have very little time to lower the collective and start the autorotation on the R-22 if you have an engine failure.

You've got to be on top of those low-inertia rotor system's that lose energy quick if appropriate procedures aren't done quickly following power loss. One of the reasons for the SFAR pertaining to R-22 operations.

So it sounds like it is just a cultural thing and no real operational reason. My wife thought of a good reason... To avoid the flow of airplanes, lol.

Thought of a good reason? It's actually a requirement in airport traffic patterns for normal ops. See 14 CFR 91.129(f)(2)
 
From a military helicopter perspective - it's mostly cultural unless a tactical need exists. Even the tactical need is debatable depending on a variety of factors as far as I'm concerned.






Tactically there are a significant number of reasons to fly higher. My first tour in both Afghanistan and Iraq saw the most common altitude at 50 ft agl. There were some okay reasons for doing so, but these days I think it makes sense to go higher. Without going into classified detail, our missile warning and defense systems work better at higher altitudes. Also, small arms and RPGs are far less effective at higher altitudes. Plus, when it's 120 degrees on the deck getting up a few thousand certainly feels better.

We continuously had the same discussion, though I was over there when MANPADs were a big threat so higher was not necessarily better. Like you said, without getting into specifics, I preferred an intermediate altitude where I was low enough to avoid most threats but high enough where I had some potential energy (altitude), available to trade for maneuvering if needed. I found most Army pilots did not understand that if they were flying at 50' at Vh they only had kinetic energy to trade for maneuvering, no potential energy. Probably why some aircraft flew into the ground while maneuvering.
 
I've never flown military helos, but as far as light civilian helos (VFR)..... This is the real reason!

......... because it's fun............ :)

(And, in the busy airspace I used to fly in, it keeps you out of the way of the F/W traffic zipping about as well.)
 
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