RVR

born2aviate

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I am getting ready for an interview with eagle and am studying the gouges accordingly. I am able to find the answers to mostly everything in one place or another. The one thing that is driving me to the brink of insanity is RVR. I can not find a FULL half descent explanation of it anywhere that won't leave me with any questions. Can someone please tell me where I can find a full detailed explanation on everything there is to know on RVR.

Thanks in advance!
 
Big number big viz.

If it ain't 500 you ain't goin full throttle.

Haha just kidding, check that AIM reference.
 
I am getting ready for an interview with eagle and am studying the gouges accordingly. I am able to find the answers to mostly everything in one place or another. The one thing that is driving me to the brink of insanity is RVR. I can not find a FULL half descent explanation of it anywhere that won't leave me with any questions. Can someone please tell me where I can find a full detailed explanation on everything there is to know on RVR.

Thanks in advance!

This is a big order! Everything from takeoff minimums to Cat I/II/III (and sometimes alternate) minimums have to do with RVR. Operator-specific guidelines for each will be found in the ops specs.

Do you have any specific questions?
 
There's some good info about it in the Instrument Procedures Handbook, along with RVV, tower vis, and prevailing vis.
 
What is controllable RVR and controlling RVR?
Which RVR min. do you use for TO mins on the back of a 10-9?
 
What is controllable RVR and controlling RVR?
Which RVR min. do you use for TO mins on the back of a 10-9?

Whichever one you are authorized to use per the company Op Spec. For example, Delta's 737s can take off with a lower RVR, 300, if they use the HUD. The Diesel 9 cannot.
 
What is controllable RVR and controlling RVR?

I've never heard the term "controllable" RVR, just controlling and advisory. If your company's ops spec requires a specific RVR for departure (i.e. 500 RVR or greater), it'll require certain RVR reports to be available.

For instance, our ops spec for IFR takeoff minima (C078) says that if you're departing with 1600 RVR or greater, only the TDZ RVR is controlling; the rest are advisory (e.g., the TDZ must read at least 1600 RVR to depart; the rest are simply to advise you of runway visibility). If less than 1600 RVR, two RVR reports must be available, but all are controlling.

Examples:

1600 RVR departure: RVR reports are 1600/1200/400 (touchdown/mid/rollout). You are legal to depart. The mid and rollout reports are advisory only.

500 RVR departure (our lowest authorized): RVR reports are 500/500/400. You are not legal to depart. The rollout RVR is available, thus controlling.

Hope it helps,
 
Thanks for all your answers.

I think it would help me understand if someone could explain the back of a 10-9 page that we were both looking at.
So let's take the LAX 10-9A page. Under where it says Rwys 6L, 7L/R, 24L/R, 25L/R. It's got the STD, Adequate Vis Ref, and the 2 operating RVRs are required. All operating RVRs are controlling.

Then for runway 6R its got "other"

All this went wooooooooosh right over my head :)
 
The last 10-9A I have from LAX is from 2008, so there might be a few differences.

Looking at the section under 6L, 7L/R, 24L/R, and 25L/R, you see three distinct headings:

1) Required RVR for takeoff, depending on operating lighting (500 or 1000 RVR)
2) Adequate visual reference RVR/visibility
3) Standard takeoff mins

The first heading describes the minimum RVR allowable for takeoff on those runways. The far left column shows that if you have centerline and high-intensity runway lights (CL & HIRL, respectively), operators are allowed to depart as low as 500 RVR. However, it further describes what's often written into an airline's ops specs: At least two RVR reports are required in order to utilize those minimums, and all are controlling. Going back to the example in my last post, you would need the TDZ, mid, and rollout RVRs to all show 500 RVR or better. However, because only two are required, it is still legal to depart when the RVR report is 500/500/missing. Important: Not all aircraft may utilize these reduced takeoff minimums. They must be approved through ops spec C078.

The column to the right is much the same as the first column, except that it restricts carriers to 1000 RVR if some of the runway lighting is inop. 1000 RVR is allowed if only the centerline lights are operational, or only centerline markings/HIRL are available. Again, you would need to have 1000/1000/1000, or at the very least, 1000/1000/missing (1000/missing/1000 is also legal).

"Adequate Vis Ref" describes takeoffs at or above 1600 RVR, and requires one or more of the following markings/lighting systems to be operational: HIRL, CL, or RCLM (runway centerline markings). If one of those aren't available, you can often still depart if the visibility is reported as 1/4sm, as long as you can identify the runway surface and maintain directional control. This is also described in C078.

"STD" mins (far right column) simply describe the standard takeoff minimums listed in Part 91. This would be used by operators that don't have ops spec C078, so it typically doesn't apply to your standard 121 carrier.

The "Other" section under the "Rwy 6R" heading shows the required ceiling and visibility for departure if you cannot maintain the required climb gradient shown for that runway (281'/nm to 400'). Because the other runways have standard climb gradient requirements, a separate section for "Other" isn't necessary.

Clear as mud? Ops spec C078 will describe all of the requirements for departing with less than standard takeoff minima (2400 RVR for 3&4 engine aircraft, and 5000 RVR for 1&2 engine aircraft).
 
Thank you for that...much appreciation.


So if Eagle needs 1600 RVR, Why can't they depart with 6/5/6? 6+5+6=1700
 
Thank you for that...much appreciation.


So if Eagle needs 1600 RVR, Why can't they depart with 6/5/6? 6+5+6=1700

No problem.

The values are not added together; the "6/5/6" in your example refers to the value shown by each individual RVR report (touchdown zone/mid/rollout). Each must individually show at or above the required value for takeoff (in this case, perhaps 500 RVR).
 
Just to make sure he understands, There's transmissometers at the touchdown zone, halfway (mid), and end (rollout) of the runway measuring the RVR at that point of the runway.
 
So if I undersand correctly, the TO mins for eagle are 600 because they can not take off if one of the transometeres are 500. Correct? Unless the 10-9A page has higher mins.
 
So if I undersand correctly, the TO mins for eagle are 600 because they can not take off if one of the transometeres are 500. Correct? Unless the 10-9A page has higher mins.

That is correct, assuming Eagle's ops spec limits them to 600 RVR. At certain companies (mine included), we can depart as low as 500 RVR. If that's the case, we would be legal to depart on those LAX runways when the RVR is reported as 5/5/5. If, in fact, Eagle is limited to 600 RVR, all three transmissometers would have to show 600 RVR (6/6/6). Again, going back to the Jepp plate and the ops spec itself, at least two RVR reports are required, but all are controlling (i.e., their reports must be used to ensure legality). In Eagle's case, 6/6/missing would be legal for departure, but 6/6/4 would not be.

I really doubt it'll get this detailed on an interview! :)
 
"It depends on the company's Op Specs and I'll be sure to know them well when hired and I receive a copy of them" is a great answer. But it is good to have the general idea. If that's not good enough for them, then that's pretty ridiculous.
 
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