Shutdown of FAA possible in House, Senate clash

Re: Partial FAA Shutdown at midnight, today (7/22/2011)

Apophis said:
Basically everything on the airport side of the FAA's operations. Airport Improvement Fund, Airport Certification, all of that stuff is shut down right now. Also, I would imagine if this funding fiasco isn't resolved in the near future, the FAA operations side will eventually be affected.

As of right now though, we aren't losing much.
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There are ±4,000 NATCA-represented employees on indefinite furlough right now too, project managers, computer engineers, and the like. They're the ones working on NextGen as far as I know, as well as other developments with in the airspace system. It does have an effect since these contracts are indefinitely suspended and these projects do employ people outside the FAA.
 
Re: Partial FAA Shutdown at midnight, today (7/22/2011)

NickH said:
Right, that's the point. What are we losing through not having the rest of the behemoth?
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Pretty much every single federally funded airport improvement project in the entire country. See what that gets you if it goes on for a couple of years—closed runways with potholes, crumbling taxiways, etc.
 
fholbert said:
Foreign 1st officers make more than many captains in the states.
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Enjoyed your post but this part is not true. Comparing the major European carriers to that of the US and things are pretty equal. My understanding is that the difference is at the bottom end...the regional end.
 
Cav said:
Enjoyed your post but this part is not true. Comparing the major European carriers to that of the US and things are pretty equal. My understanding is that the difference is at the bottom end...the regional end.
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Are US flag airlines paying Jumbo Jet 1st officers 120k in US dollars?
 
Re: Partial FAA Shutdown at midnight, today (7/22/2011)

Apophis said:
AFAIK, only part of the FAA is shut down. As of right now, the operations section of the FAA remains unaffected. This includes ATC, FSDOs, Airman Certification Branch, Aircraft Registration Branch, as well as the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute.
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It was stated that they only have money to pay the operations side of things through the middle of August, then we would be working for back pay.
 
jtrain609 said:
Not enough, and since that's the case, you should be paying MORE.
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When is the FAA going to give millions of dollars a year to GA? You know they do that now for the airlines right?

They've given millions to certain airlines already to equip for NextGen and they're going to create government sponsered finance programs to make it cheaper for the Airlines to equip. They are not doing squat for GA in terms of NextGen equippage. They are also likely to spend billions in the near future to provide ramp surveillence that the FAA will not use (FAA does not want any responsibilty in the ramp area), but this tax payer provided infrastructure will be built solely to help improve the airlines bottom line. That's the money I paid, both through the fuel tax for my plane, and as a passenger via taxes on my ticket. Airlines do not pay a dime of this, the flying public does. Bottom line, GA and Airline customers pay for the NAS, not airlines. I'll willingly pay more fuel tax when the FAA pays for the ADS-B equipment I'm going to have to install.

The argument that GA does not pay its share has no basis in fact, when you look at who pays the airline portion of aviation taxes, and who gets the benefits of those taxes. Airlines use far more NAS services and are the recipients of millions and millions in cash, goods and services from the FAA.

I could name names, but it would threaten my job security. If you scrub through the FAA website, AvWeb and AeroNews you can find out exactly the programs I'm talking about.
 
Re: Partial FAA Shutdown at midnight, today (7/22/2011)

RDoug said:
Pretty much every single federally funded airport improvement project in the entire country. See what that gets you if it goes on for a couple of years—closed runways with potholes, crumbling taxiways, etc.
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Sorry...

It's called Sim City THE REAL DEAL. Buy the game and you'll quickly figure out that it is amazingly realistic. Except, the guys running our game could not keep a lemonade stand running for more than 2 days. Yet, they run this country.
 
Cav said:
Enjoyed your post but this part is not true. Comparing the major European carriers to that of the US and things are pretty equal. My understanding is that the difference is at the bottom end...the regional end.
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At some EU airlines, the pay isn't that great. Make no mistake though, generally peaking US pilots are the lowest paid on a worldwide scale. A friend of mine operates a Dash 8 south of the border, and gets paid more than the majority of regional jet pilots here in the US.
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
The problem with user fees is that it is already so expensive to fly. The US has more GA and more airports than any other country in the world. Honestly I think if they enact user fees GA will decrease so much they will lose more money on not having the taxes from gas sales and registration fees than they will ever get from User fees.
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The user fee won't work in my opinion. The Airlines will just pay some congressman to put an exemption through. It will crush GA, just like it has in every other country. Why can't the US ever learn from other countries mistakes?


jtrain609 said:
I've reached a point in my life where I'm a-ok with this. That's sacrilege to some folks around here, but I've had just about enough of RA's being generated by GA aircraft flown by pilots who don't know their butt from a hole in the ground. I'd be thrilled if GA aircraft were banned from controlled airspace unless the pilot can pass a PC every 12 months and operate on an IFR flight plan.
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LOL....However John, you must be flying in some wierd airspace. I average about 1 problem with GA aircraft per year. I count on 1 hand the number of times it was serious issue.

Banning GA is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Bandit_Driver said:
The user fee won't work in my opinion. The Airlines will just pay some congressman to put an exemption through. It will crush GA, just like it has in every other country. Why can't the US ever learn from other countries mistakes?




LOL....However John, you must be flying in some wierd airspace. I average about 1 problem with GA aircraft per year. I count on 1 hand the number of times it was serious issue.

Banning GA is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Had another RA from a 182 today, actually.
 
jtrain609 said:
Had another RA from a 182 today, actually.
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I don't know where you fly into John, but you know where I fly, and I have had 1 RA, and it was because TOWER told us to hold our altitude, and start a turn, and departure was very conjested when we checked on. And the RA was from a King Air, not some dough boy tromping around in his 182. Funny thing is, everytime I remember you talk about RA's, you mention 182's.
 
mshunter said:
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I don't know where you fly into John, but you know where I fly, and I have had 1 RA, and it was because TOWER told us to hold our altitude, and start a turn, and departure was very conjested when we checked on. And the RA was from a King Air, not some dough boy tromping around in his 182. Funny thing is, everytime I remember you talk about RA's, you mention 182's.
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How did you get an ra that low?
 
jtrain609 said:
Mine are usually wheb the vfr traffic "has us in sight." In sight for what? A game of tag?
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You need to spend a day flying in sunny weather in southeast Alaska, then let's hear you complain about RAs.
 
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