CJC August Lines

3enginejock

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I read the MEC email but I cant understand how someone thought it would be a good idea to build 4 day trips followed by 2 day trips into the lines for a total of 6 days in a row sometimes, 11-12 days off for nearly 90% of the lines, only like 2 lines have more than 12. Whoever it was, they need to be shot. Welcome our new Mesaba overlords!
 
I hope nobody on the management side is surprised if fatigue calls spike towards the end of trips next month. This is just dumb.
 
Sounds alot like what we've got at QX...I've already had one 6 day trip (4 days, 2 days) and I'm in the middle of my second (3 day, 3 day). It's rough, but with some easy days they're not too hard to handle.

Composite lines (coverage) are min-guaranteed to 86.3 hours, I'm sitting at 103 for this bid...next bid, it might be even more...who knows.

Join the club though!
 
Who would have thought that mesaba management would have done a worse job than Colgan?
 
Bean counters always seem to forget to take into account the consequences of their "efficiencies." Just to recap; you take away our vacation, then you take our scheduling committee's hardwork and trash it the day before lines come out? Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that you violated our contract to do it.

This whole ordeal is making me sick, very sick, just the thought of managements actions are making me sick.
 
Recent fast read, my emphasis added:

http://colgan.alpa.org
July 18, 2011


August Pairings and Lines

At the beginning of the August pairing and line construction window, ALPA Scheduling Committee members, along with our counterparts in Colgan Crew Planning, were tasked by our senior management to build several scenarios for each base. Management wanted to know if we could improve our productivity and line block average. Over those two weeks, we worked countless hours completing a number of scenarios. By July 8, pairings and lines were built with the most productivity.

The day before pilot lines were due to be published for bidding, senior management asked to review the lines. Unfortunately, with the exception of Boston, the productivity of the lines produced by the usual process was unacceptable to Mesaba’s senior management and their Crew Planning. Therefore, the lines that you see for August, with the exception of Boston, were built by Mesaba’s Crew Planning without the participation of your Scheduling Committee and the process we have used over the past months.

As you can see with the great majority of these lines, especially in the IAH and IAD domiciles, senior management is only concerned with productivity and reducing the number of hard lines in light of our staffing problems; not commutability, quality of trips, or the number of days off you have. Nor were they concerned with having your bids out on time on the 12th as is contractually required. This matter has been discussed with your MEC and we will meet with senior managers to discuss the issue in the very near future.

Over the last several months, your ALPA Scheduling Committee and Colgan’s Crew Planning have worked together in making pairings and lines that take into account all items of importance for both parties. These items include, but are not limited to productivity, days off, commutability, fatigue awareness, staffing, and so forth. In addition, each month we listen to pilots’ and management’s concerns to help improve our schedules for both the company and the pilot group. This week, Mesaba management decided that increasing the block average value and minimizing the number of heads to allow the maximum number of reserves possible was the only variable they are concerned with. We hope that this will be a bump in the road as the transition continues.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns with the pairings and lines in August, we want to know about it. The pilot group’s voice should be represented and heard at the upcoming meeting, so we need to hear from you! Please send your feedback to cjcscheduling@alpa.org.

If you have a complaint regarding the line quality or the fact the contract was abrogated to create this mess then YOU need to send an email to cjcscheduling@alpa.org Without documented complaints, the Mesaba brain factory will think nothing is wrong and their actions were completely acceptable. Please help the scheduling committee help you!
 
I read the MEC email but I cant understand how someone thought it would be a good idea to build 4 day trips followed by 2 day trips into the lines for a total of 6 days in a row sometimes, 11-12 days off for nearly 90% of the lines, only like 2 lines have more than 12. Whoever it was, they need to be shot. Welcome our new Mesaba overlords!

Who would have thought that mesaba management would have done a worse job than Colgan?

Recent fast read, my emphasis added:



If you have a complaint regarding the line quality or the fact the contract was abrogated to create this mess then YOU need to send an email to cjcscheduling@alpa.org Without documented complaints, the Mesaba brain factory will think nothing is wrong and their actions were completely acceptable. Please help the scheduling committee help you!

Listen guys, we need you to pull together.

Just this month I started off with almost 80 credits and 17 days off and added a three day so I have 14 days off, 97 or 98 hours, and 17 hours of premium pay. Mesaba overlords? Try Mesaba wonderlords!

No but seriously, I haven't seen our august stuff yet so I could be passing bricks soon as well.
 
Listen guys, we need you to pull together.

Just this month I started off with almost 80 credits and 17 days off and added a three day so I have 14 days off, 97 or 98 hours, and 17 hours of premium pay. Mesaba overlords? Try Mesaba wonderlords!

No but seriously, I haven't seen our august stuff yet so I could be passing bricks soon as well.

Out of almost 70 lines of flying (not including build-ups or reserve) in EWR, not one line with 17 days off and only 1 with 16 days off. Many of the other domicles have it worse than that....with the average days off around 12. 'Ole Spanjers really put the screw job on CJC this month as far as the schedules go.
 
Out of almost 70 lines of flying (not including build-ups or reserve) in EWR, not one line with 17 days off and only 1 with 16 days off. Many of the other domicles have it worse than that....with the average days off around 12. 'Ole Spanjers really put the screw job on CJC this month as far as the schedules go.

Yes, but 36 out of 67 hard lines have at least 15 days off. Come back to the saab where almost none of them have 15 days off!
 
Out of almost 70 lines of flying (not including build-ups or reserve) in EWR, not one line with 17 days off and only 1 with 16 days off. Many of the other domicles have it worse than that....with the average days off around 12. 'Ole Spanjers really put the screw job on CJC this month as far as the schedules go.

Yes, but 36 out of 67 hard lines have at least 15 days off. Come back to the saab where almost none of them have 15 days off!

Yes, please note what I said above in bold. I know the Saab lines got hosed even harder than the Q. The lines, all around, are terrible and the blame goes directly to Spanjer's and MSA.
 
Are schedules typically this late in the month at Colgan? We're almost in August!

Ha, late! This is an improvement from when the Colgan's were still messing everything up. Back when the "family" was still running the show, it was not uncommon to get your next month's schedule on the last day of the prior month. Excellence in action!
 
Yes, please note what I said above in bold. I know the Saab lines got hosed even harder than the Q. The lines, all around, are terrible and the blame goes directly to Spanjer's and MSA.

Yeah yeah i know, its ok i really cant complain i havent been able to bid a line since February. Maybe one of these days in my 4 month upgrade I will see an airplane? I haven't flow since early March.... Before Nov '10 is when the Q lines were last decent.....
 
Eh, I had two 6 day lines (4 day followed by a 2 day) a couple of months ago. PBS, avoid pairings < 4 days fixed that. On the other hand, I was pushing 30/7 for the whole month because of that.

As for my 9E schedule, I've got ZERO complaints. 14 days off, got all the days off I wanted, and I only have to commute three times with one night in the crashpad.
 
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