Delta Airlines 747 Routes

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Just wondering if anyone has a webpage or some concrete information on which routes Delta uses their 747's, from my own personal observation, it has varied greatly.
 
DTW-NRT daily
MSP-NRT daily
JFK-NRT daily
NRT-MNL daily
NRT-HNL.....1x daily +4x weekly I think
KIX-NRT daily
DTW-NGO daily
NGO-MNL 6x weekly
 
Is NRT a base for Delta? Theres a lot of flights of out of there, I myself have done the ATL-NRT-MNL a couple times...
 
Cav said:
It's not a pilot base but it is sort of a hub for intra Asia flying.
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You guys do the same thing in Amsterdam, right?

What allows ya'll to staff these bases with American aircraft, flown by American pilots, in other countries? I would normally assume cabotage laws would prevent this from being allowed, but American airlines have been doing this for decades, what with ATA and TWA's European bases.
 
jtrain609 said:
You guys do the same thing in Amsterdam, right?

What allows ya'll to staff these bases with American aircraft, flown by American pilots, in other countries? I would normally assume cabotage laws would prevent this from being allowed, but American airlines have been doing this for decades, what with ATA and TWA's European bases.
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Well as for Japan and Europe... we did sort of win some war awhile back! ;)
 
cmhumphr said:
DTW-NRT daily
MSP-NRT daily
JFK-NRT daily
NRT-MNL daily
NRT-HNL.....1x daily +4x weekly I think
KIX-NRT daily
DTW-NGO daily
NGO-MNL 6x weekly
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Additionally,

JFK-TLV daily.
DTW-AMS daily (summer).
DTW-PVG some days (others are 777).

The 747 also does a decent amount of military charter flying.
 
jtrain609 said:
You guys do the same thing in Amsterdam, right?

What allows ya'll to staff these bases with American aircraft, flown by American pilots, in other countries? I would normally assume cabotage laws would prevent this from being allowed, but American airlines have been doing this for decades, what with ATA and TWA's European bases.
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Straight up fifth/sixth freedom rights, negotiated and awarded to the airline. Very common practice for most international long haul operators.

That said, it doesn't allow the flight crew to be based at the international destination, only operate to it, and from it, whether that's to it's origin port, or elsewhere.

To have pilots based abroad, that's seriously complex business. Legally, it's not a million miles away from creating another airline but sharing hardware, with the revenue making its way back to the airline.

Eg, my employer is based in Hong Kong. It has bases in several major cities throughout the world. The based pilots are employed by a different company than what's painted on the aircraft. That company is, however, owned by the airline. Employment laws and practices of the base must be adhered to. This is a speculated reason why Emirates will never offer bases. I'm not sure what happens with regard to aviation regulations - which 'set' to follow. I'd expect both have to be followed.

A few airlines do this, but not many. There has to be a compelling reason for the airline to go through the whole financial and time expense of doing so. Of the US carriers, I know FedEx do it - they have a base in HK. FAA certified crew on N-registered aircraft. Not sure of any others.
 
"Speed bird 1258, left turn to intercept the localizer. Cleared for the ILS. By the way, welcome to Frankfurt, have you been here before?"
"Yes, once before; It was dark and we didn't want to land."
 
Papoo said:
Straight up fifth/sixth freedom rights, negotiated and awarded to the airline. Very common practice for most international long haul operators.

That said, it doesn't allow the flight crew to be based at the international destination, only operate to it, and from it, whether that's to it's origin port, or elsewhere.

To have pilots based abroad, that's seriously complex business. Legally, it's not a million miles away from creating another airline but sharing hardware, with the revenue making its way back to the airline.

Eg, my employer is based in Hong Kong. It has bases in several major cities throughout the world. The based pilots are employed by a different company than what's painted on the aircraft. That company is, however, owned by the airline. Employment laws and practices of the base must be adhered to. This is a speculated reason why Emirates will never offer bases. I'm not sure what happens with regard to aviation regulations - which 'set' to follow. I'd expect both have to be followed.

A few airlines do this, but not many. There has to be a compelling reason for the airline to go through the whole financial and time expense of doing so. Of the US carriers, I know FedEx do it - they have a base in HK. FAA certified crew on N-registered aircraft. Not sure of any others.
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Cathay does this too right?
 
Sebbles said:
"Speed bird 1258, left turn to intercept the localizer. Cleared for the ILS. By the way, welcome to Frankfurt, have you been here before?"
"Yes, once before; It was dark and we didn't want to land."
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Lufthansa 1234: "Guten morgen Frankfurt, Ebene drei, zwei, null."
Frankfurt Center: "Lufthansa 1234, you must use English on the frequency."
Lufthansa 1234: "Why? I am an airliner from Germany flying in German airspace!"
Speedbird 2341: "Because we won the bloody war!"
 
cmhumphr said:
Ahh I knew I forgot a bunch. I was going off the top of my head.
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You know these off the top of your head Chris? I already know you eat sleep and breath aviation, but dang!!!! LOL!
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
Cathay does this too right?
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Yes, they do.

Like I mentioned earlier, it's a real headache to do, so there has to be a compelling reason to do it. For Cathay, it's partly so they don't have to pay Expat benefits to their based crew. It also helps with the operation.

I suppose both the company and the based pilot get a good result.
 
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