Mike H
Well-Known Member
It has been thus always & everywhere.
The infamous "pilot shortage" again...
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It has been thus always & everywhere.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I don't think that the money just falls like manna from heaven.
But here's the deal at SkW....they told the pilots that if they get "x" from the pilots then they will give "y" when the profits come in... the company gets "x" then the profits come in but the pilots don't get squat. That is what I'm talking about...
Also, they told the flight crews during the SLC olympics that they needed to have ready reserve on a limited and temporary basis because it was important for the company to look good with such a high profile event. Instead of bargaining for it as one would normally do, the employees saw the need and wanted to hep the company succeed so they agreed.... still have ready reserve, it's being abused (or it was when I was a SAPA rep) and there were no concessions given for such a major reduction in lifestyle for the pilot group.
The pilots (and fa's and ramp) did extra, worked harder for less to build a great company all for the promise of when the company became wealthy that there would be shared riches.... didn't happen.
Re: Obviously I can't find the thread on this...(USA TODAY!@
I agree, while a pilot shortage has been rumored about for years, there is a perfect storm brewing, not to forget the lack of student starts over the past decade. I believe in particular that the difficulty in training funds availability coupled with age 65 and 1500 hour rule together create a quandry for the industry.
Question is, will the gov't step in with something like a multi crew license, reduced 1500 hour rule for flight schools, or some other "program" to put a patch on things. Even so, would any gov't action occur fast enough to prevent a shortage?
I'll go a step further at the risk of getting flamed, but internet forums being what they are, coupled with the innate human nature to complain more than complement, the overtone I get (from several forums)is that there are a lot of bitter pilots out there from the "good ole' days" who would like to think they can create a shortage by discouraging anyone new from entering the field. The thinking being that this will benefit them by increasing demand. But each time talk of a pilot shortage arises, the same folks want to downplay it at the risk of attracting hopeful newcomers with such rumors, which would in turn circumvent their own desire to see a shortage. The same people will give you a line about how they wished they'd been a (insert other occupation, e.g. engineer, lawyer, doctor, cop, nurse, accountant, etc.)
I bought into their crap several years ago and gave up on a flying career for engineering. Biggest regret of my life. The grass is always greener, aviation is no different, just maybe a little more dramatic. Things are tough all over. Perception is reality for everyone, and will differ widely based on your frame of reference. Do what you enjoy first, the rest will follow, and if it doesn't, then maybe you don't really enjoy what you do.
-end of rant.
I agree, while a pilot shortage has been rumored about for years, there is a perfect storm brewing, not to forget the lack of student starts over the past decade. I believe in particular that the difficulty in training funds availability coupled with age 65 and 1500 hour rule together create a quandry for the industry.
Question is, will the gov't step in with something like a multi crew license, reduced 1500 hour rule for flight schools, or some other "program" to put a patch on things. Even so, would any gov't action occur fast enough to prevent a shortage?
I'll go a step further at the risk of getting flamed, but internet forums being what they are, coupled with the innate human nature to complain more than complement, the overtone I get (from several forums)is that there are a lot of bitter pilots out there from the "good ole' days" who would like to think they can create a shortage by discouraging anyone new from entering the field. The thinking being that this will benefit them by increasing demand. But each time talk of a pilot shortage arises, the same folks want to downplay it at the risk of attracting hopeful newcomers with such rumors, which would in turn circumvent their own desire to see a shortage. The same people will give you a line about how they wished they'd been a (insert other occupation, e.g. engineer, lawyer, doctor, cop, nurse, accountant, etc.)
I bought into their crap several years ago and gave up on a flying career for engineering. Biggest regret of my life. The grass is always greener, aviation is no different, just maybe a little more dramatic. Things are tough all over. Perception is reality for everyone, and will differ widely based on your frame of reference. Do what you enjoy first, the rest will follow, and if it doesn't, then maybe you don't really enjoy what you do.
-end of rant.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Trip7
Well-Known Member
Re: Obviously I can't find the thread on this...(USA TODAY!@
Spot on. Listening to some of the negative rants on the innerwebs you'd think a 4th year regional guy like myself is making 30k a year commuting to a crashpad and eating ramen all day. Its not that bad. Its not that great either but its a decent way to make a living, especially doing something you love.
Now that being said, I like my job, but with the effects of age 65 coming to an end and the demand for pilots going up globally, I hope for nothing more than the complete destruction of the regional airline industry from a pilot shortage. Let future pilots go straight to the right seat flying for mainline.
Spot on. Listening to some of the negative rants on the innerwebs you'd think a 4th year regional guy like myself is making 30k a year commuting to a crashpad and eating ramen all day. Its not that bad. Its not that great either but its a decent way to make a living, especially doing something you love.
Now that being said, I like my job, but with the effects of age 65 coming to an end and the demand for pilots going up globally, I hope for nothing more than the complete destruction of the regional airline industry from a pilot shortage. Let future pilots go straight to the right seat flying for mainline.
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
Re: Obviously I can't find the thread on this...(USA TODAY!@
Aviation is what you make it, and you'll meet all types of people in it. My best bud has been at PNCL for years now and is about to upgrade, he already makes 40K/yr and has money in the bank, he's 26 and about to upgrade to captain. He's livin the life. I have another friend who's dad is an CPT on the DC-10 he makes tonnssss of money and is where everyone wants to be... he works 20-25 days every month flying longhaul and he's miserable. Go figure.
Aviation is what you make it, and you'll meet all types of people in it. My best bud has been at PNCL for years now and is about to upgrade, he already makes 40K/yr and has money in the bank, he's 26 and about to upgrade to captain. He's livin the life. I have another friend who's dad is an CPT on the DC-10 he makes tonnssss of money and is where everyone wants to be... he works 20-25 days every month flying longhaul and he's miserable. Go figure.
born2aviate
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Hootie
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
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ryan1234
Desensitized Member
Am I stupid... or can someone explain how T/Rs are worse for the brakes?
Dugie8
Well-Known Member
Carbon brakes. The idea being that carbon is more effective when at higher temps and hotter carbon brakes wear less than cold carbon brakes. Using the T/Rs takes away some of the energy the brakes have to absorb and voila, through creative connections of dots you have using the T/Rs as being bad for the brakes.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
I've heard that rationale before (on the ERJ actually), but never really understood why. We also have carbon brakes, but we spool on each landing to keep brake temps down. :dunno:
Dugie8
Well-Known Member
It comes from the "I know a little kernel of something so I am smarter than you" crowd. Carbon brake work better HOT where as steel brakes tend to drop off on effectiveness if they get too hot. Somehow that got translated into "this airplane uses carbon brakes so you gotta stomp on them to make them work", which got further translated into "anything that helps slow the airplane will increase the wear on the brakes because they are carbon" which got translated into purple monkey dishwasher...
The -70 series DC8s had carbon brakes and they worked great but reverse worked even better for nice smooth stops, 4 big CFMs and the accompanied intake drag stopped that airplane nicely. The BeechJet has carbon brakes and it's revers is nothing more than a noisemaker for pissing off rich people at 2am. We go through brakes at no more or less than the standard interval for the cycles we put on the airplane.
RRPower
Well-Known Member
My company wants us to do the same thing but like others I refuse. Being a commuter on an airline with lots of navy guys going into a "short" runway as far as they are concerned, I see a lot of max braking with very little TR use. I for the life of me cannot figure it out and it is miserable for the passengers as well as myself. I choose to see how smooth I can decelerate while at the same time not rolling to the end on a 12,000ft runway. I suggest others do the same.
pullup
Homewrecker
SCREEEEEEEEEE-chit-chit-chit-chit-WHUMP-*shudder shudder*-thunk-bababababababa.
Miserable it is not, however it does make is sound like the plane will fall apart.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Hah! Well, they aren't exactly like hitting a wall, but I sure like landing on a short strip in the As with the buckets than in the straight 400. Maybe it's just my imagination, but seems to stop a LITTLE faster.
Dugie8
Well-Known Member
Now don't get me wrong, I love my lil BeechJet. My company is considering the NEXT conversion, it will be interesting to see how the airplane performs without reverse, I don't think it is even an option on those Williams engines??
I landed on a white runway last winter that was reported as "fair", 8000 feet later and full reverse I called the runway nil...
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
I'm pretty sure the NEXT does not have reverse, at least as of now. And the brakes work pretty well on the beatchjet. I've gotten the straight 400 in and out of HXD in the summer at moderate weights without being made overly nervous, but I'd rather have the buckets. I'd say the preference is about 75% psychological, though. 