Advanced checkride failures and the regionals

Chief Captain

Chief Captain

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What do you guys think of this scenario?

Pilot applying to a regional who exceeds all the minimums published. The person also holds an ATP. However, the person has 2 failures on record- CFII, as well as MEI. Both were addons.

What are the odds of getting a call?
 
People have got hired with a lot worse problems. Everyone pretty much knows those rides are iffy at best to pass.
 
You're focused on, or your friend is focused on, all the wrong stuff.. Does he have a pulse?
 
JordanD said:
Away as in less stringent or more stringent?
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I dunno how it works or when it goes into effect, it may start after your 121 ride, but we now have the "EOP" or Enhanced Oversight Program, which means, when you bust a ride (again this could be only in the 121 environment) your name goes on a list and you are subject to checkrides more often.

Again, I have no idea what this program entails, I just got the gist that I didn't wanna bust any rides due to it, so I've done what I can not to.
 
Chief Captain said:
What do you guys think of this scenario?

Pilot applying to a regional who exceeds all the minimums published. The person also holds an ATP. However, the person has 2 failures on record- CFII, as well as MEI. Both were addons.

What are the odds of getting a call?
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Probably depends on the regional and how hard-up they are for pilots.......

......or, how low of pay he's willing to accept for the opportunity. :D
 
Colgan 3407 has created a paradigm shift concerning checkride busts. The full effect of which has yet to be established. The one thing that can be certain however, the old way of doing business (past performance issues swept under the rug) will not be part of the new world order post 3407.

True the lowest bidder for pilot labor will end up putting individuals on the payroll others will not touch; however, 3407 has raised the bar for even the lowest bidder.
 
seaav8tor said:
Colgan 3407 has created a paradigm shift concerning checkride busts. The full effect of which has yet to be established. The one thing that can be certain however, the old way of doing business (past performance issues swept under the rug) will not be part of the new world order post 3407.

True the lowest bidder for pilot labor will end up putting individuals on the payroll others will not touch; however, 3407 has raised the bar for even the lowest bidder.
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I personally wouldn't consider it raising the bar at all. If all checkrides were consistent and objective, sure. However, training and checking in the general aviation realm is so far from objective that it becomes obvious that this is merely a perception/liability issue.
 
Anyone who replies with a definitive answer really is taking a wild guess unless they actually work in personnel and are involved in pilot screening. But as someone else wrote if they don't apply their chances are zero. Apply but be prepared to discuss the failures during an interview. Also understand that he/she will be competing against pilots who do not have failures.
 
Blackhawk said:
Also understand that he/she will be competing against pilots who do not have failures.
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Ohh I dunno.. I flew with a left seater who told me it's impossible that anyone "can get to the airline world without busting at least one checkride.." LOL..
 
Chief Captain said:
What do you guys think of this scenario?

Pilot applying to a regional who exceeds all the minimums published. The person also holds an ATP. However, the person has 2 failures on record- CFII, as well as MEI. Both were addons.

What are the odds of getting a call?
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0 if you don't apply.

Now if you were busting 121 CQ checks or type ratings, it's one thing, but anyone with more than a PA-38 type rating understands that the Feds dole out CFI busts like sport.
 
Tram said:
Ohh I dunno.. I flew with a left seater who told me it's impossible that anyone "can get to the airline world without busting at least one checkride.." LOL..
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I seem to remember a quote on here by another member, although I can't remember who it was exactly, but basically what they said is in regards to checkrides there's two kinds of pilots. Those who have busted a ride and those who are about to. It's inevitable because sooner or later you're going to have a bad day or something/someone is going to catch you off guard.
 
at1024 said:
I seem to remember a quote on here by another member, although I can't remember who it was exactly, but basically what they said is in regards to checkrides there's two kinds of pilots. Those who have busted a ride and those who are about to. It's inevitable because sooner or later you're going to have a bad day or something/someone is going to catch you off guard.
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So you're saying everyone will eventually bust a ride? I know several retired 121 pilots who would argue that with you, but I get what you're saying.. I've heard the same thing concerning landing with the gear up.. There are those who have and those who will. :)
 
Doug Taylor said:
0 if you don't apply.

Now if you were busting 121 CQ checks or type ratings, it's one thing, but anyone with more than a PA-38 type rating understands that the Feds dole out CFI busts like sport.
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I agree with this line of thinking. I know we have new hires with busted checkrides in their past. (I help with training sometimes. :) ) Apply and keep your apps updated.
 
Tram said:
So you're saying everyone will eventually bust a ride? I know several retired 121 pilots who would argue that with you, but I get what you're saying.. I've heard the same thing concerning landing with the gear up.. There are those who have and those who will. :)
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From a training department perspective, I can tell you that 121 initial/upgrade failures are more prevalent than you might think. I have also seen stellar pilots have bad days and weak crew members pass year after year. And that's at the fairly standardized airline level. At the GA level it's a whole different story. A "bad day" could be due to the examiner not grading objectively.


That being said, once you're working for a carrier that has an AQP program, it's a different story.

Regardless, checkride performance should be but one facet of your application.
 
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