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Airline Baggage Fees and Ancillary Fees Are Not Going Away
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Coming soon to an airline near you: infants on lap fees, in-person check-in fees, carry-on bag fees, and even fees for using a credit card. So far though, it looks like passengers will not have to deposit a quarter in the door of the lavatory........(see article)
Coming soon to an airline near you: infants on lap fees, in-person check-in fees, carry-on bag fees, and even fees for using a credit card. So far though, it looks like passengers will not have to deposit a quarter in the door of the lavatory........(see article)
BravoHotel
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Apophis
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Don't forget about your emergency oxygen fee.
Don't forget about your emergency oxygen fee.
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Pick one to complain about, wages or fees.
If you want to make a good living flying, the passengers will have to pay. I shouldn't be able to book a last minute ticket to get form Orlando to LA that only cost me $380.00. I can see the airplane using more gas to get me there than that.
Pick one to complain about, wages or fees.
If you want to make a good living flying, the passengers will have to pay. I shouldn't be able to book a last minute ticket to get form Orlando to LA that only cost me $380.00. I can see the airplane using more gas to get me there than that.
darrenf
resident denizen
Of course it uses more than $380 in fuel, but you not the only one on board are you?
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That works out to $55k in fuel roughly. At $6 a gallon, you get about 9100 gallons of fuel (about 64000 pounds). That might be just enough to pay for fuel. But what about maint.? Salaries, etc. If you want to fly, you have to pay. It's not a right, it's a privilage, otherwise, you'd be able to buy an airline ticket with welfare money.
That works out to $55k in fuel roughly. At $6 a gallon, you get about 9100 gallons of fuel (about 64000 pounds). That might be just enough to pay for fuel. But what about maint.? Salaries, etc. If you want to fly, you have to pay. It's not a right, it's a privilage, otherwise, you'd be able to buy an airline ticket with welfare money.
Nick
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Ahhh. The ignore button is great.
Haha. Ha said you're a poopyhead!
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I like that picture you posted mshunter. Basically sums it up.
I just read that Delta is going to increase the international second bag fee from $50 to I think $60-65. At the same time though, the overweight intl bag fee will drop from $150 to $75ish. Seems reasonable to me.
If it costs $100,000 to fill up the fuel tanks on a long-haul flight, anything helps. 403 pax on a 747-400 minus the frequent flyers who don't pay the bag fees still equals hundreds of bags generating revenue. They're down their with the cargo but really the pax are paying a lot less per pound than the cargo itself I bet.
darrenf
resident denizen
I wasn't arguing your point that you can't have both low fares and fair wages. Just that your reasoning didn't make sense. Go ahead and ignore me if your skin is really that thin. I won't lose ( one O) any sleep over it.
wheelsup
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Our flights average about 1 hour in length. In that time we will burn approximately 3000# of fuel give or take. 6.7#/gal = 450 gallons of gas, times $3/gal = $1300 in gas alone. Total cost to operate including gas is around $2,000/hr give or take, and we are one of if not the most expensive RJ operators.
With load factors in the 70% range, that runs about $57/hr per person to run that flight. $37 of that is Jet-A.
I remember back in high school I was going to Maui, and some how my dad talked the pilots into letting me talk with them while boarding. It was a TWA 767, going from St. Louis to Maui. I remember they joked about burning something like $13,000 worth of gas, and that the company held them accountable for it! That was in 2000.
Our flights average about 1 hour in length. In that time we will burn approximately 3000# of fuel give or take. 6.7#/gal = 450 gallons of gas, times $3/gal = $1300 in gas alone. Total cost to operate including gas is around $2,000/hr give or take, and we are one of if not the most expensive RJ operators.
With load factors in the 70% range, that runs about $57/hr per person to run that flight. $37 of that is Jet-A.
I remember back in high school I was going to Maui, and some how my dad talked the pilots into letting me talk with them while boarding. It was a TWA 767, going from St. Louis to Maui. I remember they joked about burning something like $13,000 worth of gas, and that the company held them accountable for it! That was in 2000.
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What's funny is that people will balk at a $500 round trip ticket to go somewhere, but they don't actually figure out the cost of alternative transport. I just bought a ticket to Portland, round trip, for about $450. If I check a bag, the total price will be around $500. Compare that with driving: $200 in gas, 3 nights in a hotel ($200 minimum) and meals ($100), and now multiply that by 2 for the round trip. The difference is that the car trip price is paid for little by little, while the airline ticket comes out all at once. If people actually compared prices, they'd happily pay that $500 air trip, and more.
What's funny is that people will balk at a $500 round trip ticket to go somewhere, but they don't actually figure out the cost of alternative transport. I just bought a ticket to Portland, round trip, for about $450. If I check a bag, the total price will be around $500. Compare that with driving: $200 in gas, 3 nights in a hotel ($200 minimum) and meals ($100), and now multiply that by 2 for the round trip. The difference is that the car trip price is paid for little by little, while the airline ticket comes out all at once. If people actually compared prices, they'd happily pay that $500 air trip, and more.
wheelsup
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Plus, people compare prices to what used to be, or against competitors. If ticket prices used to be $200 round trip, then $500 is incredibly expensive in comparison.
Yeah but for a family of 4, you're looking at $2k flying and only a slight incremental increase in the driving cost.
Plus, people compare prices to what used to be, or against competitors. If ticket prices used to be $200 round trip, then $500 is incredibly expensive in comparison.
KLB
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Saw this earlier today.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/06/08/exp.nr.delta.baggage.policy.cnn?iref=allsearch
Saw this earlier today.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/06/08/exp.nr.delta.baggage.policy.cnn?iref=allsearch
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FYI, I spent $400 on MCO-IAH-ANC not too long ago.....
There's truth in that statement, but if the airline is just trying to fill up last minute seats they are going to be discounted to lure you in. From the airline's perspective the choice was not between $380 and a higher fare, but $380 and you not going at all. There's a huge difference between what individual passengers on a flight are paying.
FYI, I spent $400 on MCO-IAH-ANC not too long ago.....
Nark
Macho Superpilot
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Your RJ's must be realllllllllly fuel efficient, or you forgot that there are 2 engines.
Your RJ's must be realllllllllly fuel efficient, or you forgot that there are 2 engines.
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Depends on your perspective. From the airline's perspective, it is better to get SOME money for that seat, rather than let it go out empty.
Depends on your perspective. From the airline's perspective, it is better to get SOME money for that seat, rather than let it go out empty.
wheelsup
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Just the regular old 50 seat CRJ. Actually the people winning the fuel conservation awards are in the 2500#/hr average range which is 375 gallons/hour. Not sure why that sounds low, it is actually pretty high in comparison to other larger aircraft I would think, but I don't have the numbers.
Just the regular old 50 seat CRJ. Actually the people winning the fuel conservation awards are in the 2500#/hr average range which is 375 gallons/hour. Not sure why that sounds low, it is actually pretty high in comparison to other larger aircraft I would think, but I don't have the numbers.
BlueMoon
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Airtran doesn't serve CVG.
Airtran doesn't serve CVG.