RJ Course

If you don't believe the advice in this thread (or any of the other threads on the same topic here at JC), try similar searches at APC, FI, or any other professional pilot forum and see what you come up with.

It will be a very similar ratio of "no" to "yes".

Using standard logic, based on the information in those threads, it should be pretty easy to decide what to do.
 
Hacker15e said:
... try similar searches at APC, FI, or any other professional pilot forum and see what you come up with... Using standard logic, based on the information in those threads, it should be pretty easy to decide what to do.
Click to expand...
Standard logic in da internetz forumz?!?!?11? I can haz winning now?? ;)
 
SteveC said:
In my opinion, the problem with this type of program is that it skips over the most important part of becoming a good pilot - gaining experience. The course is intended to get people experience in one thing only, and that is in passing ground school and sim training. The problem with that is that pilots flying airliners should be well rounded and have experience in doing things like flying in weather, understanding and working with ATC, knowing how to deal with a wide variety of people in the cockpit, working through maintenance issues, dealing with customers, becoming proficient with faster aircraft in IFR ops, handling in-flight systems issues, on and on and on...
Click to expand...

I would have to agree with you, however the experience you mentioned would be nice to have but a lot of it falls into the catch 22. It's kinda hard to get experience with the last 5 items you mentioned while working as a CFI in a 172. I'd rather see a low time guy get hired flying a two pilot jet than getting a job flying single pilot, there is a much greater chance for error when you don't have a veteran captain next to you to fill in any gaps you may lack in experience. Optimally, it's better for a pilot to pay their dues flight instructing but like you said, these regionals are run like a business and if there aren't enough CFI's with an ATP they will have to get the low timers until the regs are changed. Which I heard the FAA is going to make new minimums of 800hrs (not 1500) to work in the regionals, which is a big jump from the current 250.
 
Troy said:
I would have to agree with you, however the experience you mentioned would be nice to have but a lot of it falls into the catch 22. It's kinda hard to get experience with the last 5 items you mentioned while working as a CFI in a 172. I'd rather see a low time guy get hired flying a two pilot jet than getting a job flying single pilot, there is a much greater chance for error when you don't have a veteran captain next to you to fill in any gaps you may lack in experience. Optimally, it's better for a pilot to pay their dues flight instructing but like you said, these regionals are run like a business and if there aren't enough CFI's with an ATP they will have to get the low timers until the regs are changed. Which I heard the FAA is going to make new minimums of 800hrs (not 1500) to work in the regionals, which is a big jump from the current 250.
Click to expand...

Where have you heard that last part from?
 
Take the course, but don't tell them. Then when you do get hired, you will sail that right out of the park and make them think they hired Chuck Yeager.
 
born2aviate said:
Where have you heard that last part from?
Click to expand...

It's a proposed amendment to the FAA reauthorization bill. It's in the final stages of "possibly" being approved. To read more about it just google Charles Schumer copilot hours, he's one of the senators who put it together.

Boris Badenov said:
Lots of guys (and girls) seem to manage to do it every day (and night).
Click to expand...

Do what? A FO who makes mistakes fresh out of training? Suck it up and deal with the companies hiring selection. The PIC should be able to figure out they are green and adjust accordingly. The regional training is not long enough for a FO to be able to absorb everything he should know on day one of work anyways. Learning doesn't stop after training.
 
Troy said:
Suck it up and deal with the companies hiring selection.
Click to expand...

Good advice, but I'm not currently standing in line to get to a regional. As a guy who is in the left seat of a JEEEEETTTTTTTT, I have enough trouble just communicating with the relatively experienced guys I fly with...I truly pity the guys who are having 300 hour wonders foisted upon them. Now, there may be some bias since it's the way I came up, but I think flying around by yourself in a beat up piston single (or twin) is the perfect way to become a useful member of the flight crew. I do not need a guy who can quote the book to me verbatim (that's why there's a book) or who can tell me the service volume of a VOR (if I'm receiving it, it's enough. If I'm not, it isn't). I need a guy who has actual, useful experience flying IFR in the system, not at a desk.
 
Boris Badenov said:
Good advice, but I'm not currently standing in line to get to a regional. As a guy who is in the left seat of a JEEEEETTTTTTTT, I have enough trouble just communicating with the relatively experienced guys I fly with...I truly pity the guys who are having 300 hour wonders foisted upon them. Now, there may be some bias since it's the way I came up, but I think flying around by yourself in a beat up piston single (or twin) is the perfect way to become a useful member of the flight crew. I do not need a guy who can quote the book to me verbatim (that's why there's a book) or who can tell me the service volume of a VOR (if I'm receiving it, it's enough. If I'm not, it isn't). I need a guy who has actual, useful experience flying IFR in the system, not at a desk.
Click to expand...

When I said suck it up and deal with the companies hiring selection, I was talking to the left seaters at the regionals. They have no choice but deal with the low timers coming in. The hiring pool is starting to get down to these guys and a business will not leave a 40 million dollar jet collecting dust so they can wait for a guy to build hours. I completely agree with you that solo time building flying cross country with lots of IFR is better regional prep vs. local practice area CFI'in. It sounds like you changed your beliefs since last weekend about relevant flight experience. :dunno:
 
Again, it's not a matter of a depleted labor pool.

It's a matter of the availability of pilots that are willing to do the job at the current compensation.

Opportunity for career restoration? I think so.

Pilots recognizing that opportunity? I think not.
 
Boris, nobody cares about this off topic tangent in this thread. Most of your post on here that I have read are all negative. Your disgruntled attitude could have been prevented. You chose this career and it's your fault for not finding out what the job really entails before you got into the airlines. WTF did you really expect? Upgrade in 1 year, chuck yeager as your FO when you get C/A? 100k to start and 300k after 3 years? Perfect job stability with airlines who put pilots over company profit?

Boris Badenov said:
I've flown as C/A with guys who have 1000ish hours and guys who have 5000ish hours. I can for damn sure tell the difference. And what they flew prior has little or nothing to do with it
Click to expand...
 
Boris Badenov said:
Good advice, but I'm not currently standing in line to get to a regional. As a guy who is in the left seat of a JEEEEETTTTTTTT, I have enough trouble just communicating with the relatively experienced guys I fly with...I truly pity the guys who are having 300 hour wonders foisted upon them. Now, there may be some bias since it's the way I came up, but I think flying around by yourself in a beat up piston single (or twin) is the perfect way to become a useful member of the flight crew. I do not need a guy who can quote the book to me verbatim (that's why there's a book) or who can tell me the service volume of a VOR (if I'm receiving it, it's enough. If I'm not, it isn't). I need a guy who has actual, useful experience flying IFR in the system, not at a desk.
Click to expand...

Troy said:
When I said suck it up and deal with the companies hiring selection, I was talking to the left seaters at the regionals. They have no choice but deal with the low timers coming in. The hiring pool is starting to get down to these guys and a business will not leave a 40 million dollar jet collecting dust so they can wait for a guy to build hours. I completely agree with you that solo time building flying cross country with lots of IFR is better regional prep vs. local practice area CFI'in. It sounds like you changed your beliefs since last weekend about relevant flight experience. :dunno:
Click to expand...

This topic has previously been done to death.

How about we focus on the actual problems now? :)
 
Troy said:
Very true, good point.
Click to expand...

If, say SweetRJAirways was having problems staffing the airline.

If they gave a 25% across the board pay increase, improved duty rigs and added an extra week of vacation, the staffing problem would solve itself virtually overnight.
 
Troy said:
Boris, nobody cares about this off topic tangent in this thread. Most of your post on here that I have read are all negative. Your disgruntled attitude could have been prevented. You chose this career and it's your fault for not finding out what the job really entails before you got into the airlines. WTF did you really expect? Upgrade in 1 year, chuck yeager as your FO when you get C/A? 100k to start and 300k after 3 years? Perfect job stability with airlines who put pilots over company profit?
Click to expand...

:yup:

FYI: Boris doesn't and my guess is, never will fly for an airline.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top