3-bladed props and critical engine....?

gosleddog

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Ok - for non counter-rotating, standard configuration (wing mounted) engines, with 2 bladed prop, typically the right engine's produces more thrust from the outboard prop as it is headed "down" - and has a longer arm from the CG, which means that the left engine is critical, anyone that has gone through multi training has learned this. In all the material that I have found on this, there is no mention of the impact that a 3 bladed prop has on the equation. To me, it seems like in a 2 blade prop, it is straightforward, the prop headed down will crank more thrust. In a 3 blade, the "most outboard" prop while coming through the down stroke has 2 blades that are inboard, and that the 2 blades should be more than enough to counteract the "advantage" that the down stroke blade attains. Not only that, it seems like that by having the 3 blades, the thrust is coming from more ( a higher percentage of ...) the entire prop arc, and that this keeps the thrust more uniform.
On the other hand, on the dead engine, until it is feathered, the impact of the 3 blades windmilling is a much higher producer of drag, and that it will increase the yawing moment / need for counteracting rudder force.
This is just an academic exercise for me, as its not likely to be an examiner question. I would have thought that there would be some mention of it in the text books, and what not. (All "real" twins have 3 blade props, so someone must have real info on it!)
 
By your analysis OP, these guys are totally screwed then, lest they lose an engine.
 

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Not going to disagree with you, like I said - just an academic exercise. I started thinking about, and couldn't stop. More a question of why isn't the difference (if there is one) not documented in the text books?
 
By your analysis OP, these guys are totally screwed then, lest they lose an engine.

IIRC... I think I remember hearing that a prop failed to feather on an E-2C from the Eisenhower about a year ago, crew bailed out over Arabian Sea. It just looks like things would really suck to get a pitch-lock or failure to feather.

Bunk would probably know...
 
I think it's funny how on conventional twins only one of the engines is deemed critical, as if the "non-critical" engine failed, you wouldn't have to worry about anything; you could just continue on with your trip, puffing on your stogie while reading Highlights for Kids.
 
I think it's funny how on conventional twins only one of the engines is deemed critical, as if the "non-critical" engine failed, you wouldn't have to worry about anything; you could just continue on with your trip, puffing on your stogie while reading Highlights for Kids.

...I get a kick out of that too.

On the Seminole, I always (half jokingly) told my instructors and examiners that both engines were critical (or that the whole airplane was critical).
 
I think it's funny how on conventional twins only one of the engines is deemed critical, as if the "non-critical" engine failed, you wouldn't have to worry about anything; you could just continue on with your trip, puffing on your stogie while reading Highlights for Kids.

Words mean things...in this case "critical" refers to directional control, and not the ability to continue flying or maintaining altitude.
 
Words mean things...in this case "critical" refers to directional control, and not the ability to continue flying or maintaining altitude.

I know what it means, I was just having fun with it.

Another one I get a kick out of is "P-Factor." I joke with my students and tell them that it's what determines how many pit stops they have to make while on their cross countries.
 
@ Authothrust Blue

That's the way I see it too. Both engines are pretty critical, especially on a hot day in a heavily loaded Seminole!
 
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