Getting off the scab list

Along the lines of your thought process. If an employee invests that kind of time in a company, shouldn't he expect a return on his investment?

Absolutely not. Employees are worthless, the only person in the equation is the CEO or some sort of management.

Absolutely.

BTW, currently waiting for +150 from the almighty company and the only way I'm getting it back is my union.

By the way O+M. Just got the email from the company telling them they are going to give me my money after all. Once again, the union fills in my paycheck. Thank you union.
 
I thought our website was a little more informative than that. Wow! Boy have I failed.

No you haven't. You're website is very informative, and I enjoy it. It just tends to only show one side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Frank Lorenzo. He certainly did his share of damage. But he is hardly the sole source of blame when it comes to the demise of Eastern, and it is intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.
 
You do realize that you're essentially playing the role as the Titanic's crewmember saying "Well, if we would have taken the northern route..." just before the ship goes under.
 
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Even if you're not unionized, you benefit from those us that are weather you realize it or not...

You're welcome.
 
He does. It's called a paycheck.

That attitude does not work in a service based industry like the airlines. If all the employees cared about was just getting a paycheck and not about the actual comfort of the passengers, the airline is not going to have many repeat customers.


What does O&M stand for, Overlords & Management?
 
pilots that are fed up are never a good thing, I suspect that a caring pilot can save the company TONS of money. (even box pilots)
 
Waiting for the weekend?

Bah!

How about Workin' for the weekend?

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O&M said:
He did those things AFTER it became apparent that Eastern's unions would rather burn it to the ground then give up anything to Lorenzo. I know my history just fine. And I can't say I blame him, either. If you had invested that kind of money in something, wouldn't you make sure that you got a return on it one way or the other?

Your facts are just, well, not facts at all. As a wise old dude once said, "every man is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
 
pilots that are fed up are never a good thing, I suspect that a caring pilot can save the company TONS of money. (even box pilots)

I don't think any pilot is a fan of Frank Lorenzo, but there are plenty of modern business types who respect and look up to him like a God for his effectiveness in being a corporate raider.

This entire discussion has uncovered some the highs and lows of our government influenced "capitalist" system, where at the end of the day, nothing is ever "fair." It doesn't matter what industry we're talking about, there's a clear cut line, with people on both sides that goes something like "if the company didn't try to screw the employees, a union wouldn't be needed" and on the other "if the union wasn't here, we could actually run an efficient company." I'd say that's pretty damn accurate. If you worked somewhere where you were paid well, treated well, not abused, not overworked, etc and had faith that the company would continue to take care of you (including a pension), you wouldn't feel any need to unionize. You'd also work damn hard for this company and do anything you could to help them provide a better product and save the company money. On the flip side, when everyone fears and knows that the company will do whatever they can, at any chance the company has, to screw the employees, who is going to give a rats ass about the company?

I will say that I think the airlines do deserve the medal for creating the most toxic environment between the union and management. This absolutely makes it impossible to run any sort of efficient operation, yet year after year, decade after decade, the same war ensues, and at the end, no one wins.
 
I will say that I think the airlines do deserve the medal for creating the most toxic environment between the union and management. This absolutely makes it impossible to run any sort of efficient operation, yet year after year, decade after decade, the same war ensues, and at the end, no one wins.

The same can be said about the auto industry too.
 
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