Bumblebee
Commodore
You'll always be a kid to me John LOL
Getting off the scab list
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ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Bumblebee
Commodore
where in FL are you? I'm in St Augustine today, and will be flying a T6 at Warbird Adventures tomorrow afternoon in Kissimee
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I am in Ft Myers, I have heard that is pretty cool!
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I didn't read all the thread. In fact, I'm entirely too lazy.
It comes down to this: DON'T SCAB.
Doesn't really matter if you're a believer in unions or not. You will face ramifications, either minor or major, for the rest of your career and life.
In this business if you think "I'm isolated from <insert any contingency you don't think you'll ever, EVER, EVAH be in>", you will have a rude awakening at one point. Until we all walk away, we won't know when the Aviation spectre is coming for us, and when our career will nose dive.
It comes down to this: DON'T SCAB.
Doesn't really matter if you're a believer in unions or not. You will face ramifications, either minor or major, for the rest of your career and life.
In this business if you think "I'm isolated from <insert any contingency you don't think you'll ever, EVER, EVAH be in>", you will have a rude awakening at one point. Until we all walk away, we won't know when the Aviation spectre is coming for us, and when our career will nose dive.
Number1atNumber2
Tries to keep it fun.
Depends on the 135 op. Some of their flight departments are pretty small.
When you're 36. Trust me, it's awesome.
This kind of juvenille crap.....not to mention some being criminal:
....as well as the union members who openly and happily celebrate when a scab perishes in a plane crash, ala the Capt of Valujet 592, are items that reflect very negatively on the union as a whole. Whether sanctioned or not by the union itself, the actions of its members will reflect positively or negatively.
....as well as the union members who openly and happily celebrate when a scab perishes in a plane crash, ala the Capt of Valujet 592, are items that reflect very negatively on the union as a whole. Whether sanctioned or not by the union itself, the actions of its members will reflect positively or negatively.
HVYMETALDRVR
Well-Known Member
Thats a lot hatred and bitterness. I don't work for a 121 right now but when I go home for the day I try to leave work behind me and the drama that comes with it. I couldn't imagine smiling and feeling good about a co-worker dying such a terrible death... even if I couldn't stand them. Karma is a beach.
Yeah. Pretty sickening. Individuals who make the group look bad.
Random thought on this thread.
1) Everyone talks about Lorenzo as though he were singlehandedly responsible for the destruction of Eastern and the decimation of Continental. No one seems to remember, however, that both of these companies were losing money by the truckload (er, planeload?) BEFORE he ever came on the scene. Lorenzo was incompetent, no question, but he was just the latest of incompetents to run those companies.
2) Employees are paid by the company, yet for some reason, their loyalty is to the union, whom they pay dues to. Seems backward to me.
3) Union employees talk about how "we are the union" when it comes to making the union work, yet when it comes to the "consequences" (so-called) of scabbing, they act as though "the union" is some nameless, faceless entity that administers them.
4) The CAL scabs of '83, while generally reviled by the pilot population, kept CAL going until it could get things turned around. Were it not for them, there would be no CAL now. So the argument can be made that they did some good, after all.
1) Everyone talks about Lorenzo as though he were singlehandedly responsible for the destruction of Eastern and the decimation of Continental. No one seems to remember, however, that both of these companies were losing money by the truckload (er, planeload?) BEFORE he ever came on the scene. Lorenzo was incompetent, no question, but he was just the latest of incompetents to run those companies.
2) Employees are paid by the company, yet for some reason, their loyalty is to the union, whom they pay dues to. Seems backward to me.
3) Union employees talk about how "we are the union" when it comes to making the union work, yet when it comes to the "consequences" (so-called) of scabbing, they act as though "the union" is some nameless, faceless entity that administers them.
4) The CAL scabs of '83, while generally reviled by the pilot population, kept CAL going until it could get things turned around. Were it not for them, there would be no CAL now. So the argument can be made that they did some good, after all.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Funny, I find the company has that exact same issue and the union is there to protect me from that attitude.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
They're basically just pairings that the union has determined are fatigue-inducing. While people may be looked down upon for picking them up, they certainly aren't "scabs."
You need to learn some history. Lorenzo wasn't "incompetent." Far from it. He was very good at what he did. He was a corporate raider. He had no desire to turn Eastern into anything other than an ATM to finance his other airline operations. His game plan from the day he purchased EAL was to siphon away EAL's assets to CAL, because his goal was to turn CAL into the largest airline in the country. EAL was going to be sacrificed (along with its thousands of employees and their families). You should do some reading into how Lorenzo took System One, EAL's groundbreaking reservations system, and sold it to his Texas Air Corporation for a steal. After he did that, he leased the software back to EAL at an exorbitant rate. It was a way for him to siphon away EAL's cash to TAC so it could be used to grow CAL. He did the same with countless other EAL assets, sending them all to TAC and CAL while EAL withered on the vine.
One of ALPA's old volunteers from many years ago: "The airline signs my pay check, but ALPA fills in the amount."
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Clarify?
It didn't take scabs to save CAL. The legitimate CAL pilots were hard working and dedicated employees who loved CAL, and they would have been happy to keep CAL going while management worked on rebuilding it in a legitimate fashion. Instead, Lorenzo decided to take the easy way out and utilize a bankruptcy code filled with loopholes to abrogate contract after contract, and then use his scabs to keep things going while he screwed everyone over, from employees, to lessors, to suppliers.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Absolutely.
BTW, currently waiting for +150 from the almighty company and the only way I'm getting it back is my union.
Pépé le Pilot
Well-Known Member
Very informative thread for us foreign pilots. We have a very strong union culture in France, as you all know with the strikes, but that has kept us from this race to the bottom for the workers, and to the ever more for shareholders.
He did those things AFTER it became apparent that Eastern's unions would rather burn it to the ground then give up anything to Lorenzo. I know my history just fine. And I can't say I blame him, either. If you had invested that kind of money in something, wouldn't you make sure that you got a return on it one way or the other?
