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SIUav8er said:
it was a mistake. He went around 3 times because of wind shear and turbulence. 4th time around, forgot the gear.
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This is the problem right here. If its so turbulent that I can't make it in after 3 times, I'm not going, I'm going to divert. Sorry. And I've flown through some hellacious turbulence while trying to land. If you're so taxed flying the airplane that you can't remember to drop the gear on the 4th attempt, then the mistake wasn't really in "procedural discipline," or "checklist usage." It was due to bad judgment. Sucks that he'll probably lose his job, and have a real hard time finding work right now...but, its a good learning experience.

I haven't "left the gear up," (what with flying mostly fixed gear singles throughout my feeble career thus far) but I've made plenty of mistakes that could have ended up with me dead or violated had I not caught them in time. Piss poor luck, I wish the man the best.
 
SIUav8er said:
it was a mistake. He went around 3 times because of wind shear and turbulence. 4th time around, forgot the gear.
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My best guess from hearing the archived radio chatter, he went around twice due to wind shear, and on the 3rd try tower told him to go around but maintain current altitude and expect a landing clearance once traffic clears. He was then cleared to land and must of forgot to put the gear back down.
 
skatergeek said:
My best guess from hearing the archived radio chatter, he went around twice due to wind shear, and on the 3rd try tower told him to go around but maintain current altitude and expect a landing clearance once traffic clears. He was then cleared to land and must of forgot to put the gear back down.
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That right there is a perfect setup for a gearup. Sucks. Hopefully the someone will go to bat for this guy and he can use it as a learning experience rather than going to the street.
 
undflyboy06 said:
That accident could have easily happen to me, or any member on this forum.
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Only if your gear retracts .......... fixed gear prevents this, unless it breaks when you hit so hard the runway needs to be resurfaced ...... CaptBill knows all about this ...... ;)

Oh, and the wreck of the plane is sad, but good that everyone walked away.
 
Sadly the pilot hit the street. Unfortunate to anyone to have a slip in procedure like that. Could have been worse though. He was recently typed in the aircraft.
 
scooter2525 said:
Sadly the pilot hit the street. Unfortunate to anyone to have a slip in procedure like that. Could have been worse though. He was recently typed in the aircraft.
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That really sucks. On one hand I get that it costs the company a bunch of money. But I seriously doubt this pilot would do this again. If it was up to me, as long as somebody showed a good attitude and learned from their mistake, it would be pretty hard to get canned.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That really sucks. On one hand I get that it costs the company a bunch of money. But I seriously doubt this pilot would do this again. If it was up to me, as long as somebody showed a good attitude and learned from their mistake, it would be pretty hard to get canned.
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Obviously you've never worked for a non-union part-135 freight shop. Airnet would just wait for your next checkride.
 
mikecweb said:
Airnet would just wait for your next checkride.
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Really? The checkairman doubles as a hatchet man?

Truly sucks that pilot hit the streets. Mistakes come too easily in single pilot 135 ops. And that is one he/she will likely not make again.
 
skatergeek said:
My best guess from hearing the archived radio chatter, he went around twice due to wind shear, and on the 3rd try tower told him to go around but maintain current altitude and expect a landing clearance once traffic clears. He was then cleared to land and must of forgot to put the gear back down.
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Navy style closed patterns, where the gear is left down, would've helped. Insofar as pattern discussion, if Im staying closed traffic following a go around and with no performance issues, Ive no problem leaving the gear down. Now whether their operating procedures for that aircraft allow for that kind of flexibility, Im not certain.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
That really sucks. On one hand I get that it costs the company a bunch of money. But I seriously doubt this pilot would do this again. If it was up to me, as long as somebody showed a good attitude and learned from their mistake, it would be pretty hard to get canned.
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I bet too that if the company didn't axe the guy after one mistake, and let him learn from it as it was obviously non-intentional; Id think the company would be a place people would want to work for, since they'd at least feel they're not at a "one strike and you're out" place of employment.
 
scooter2525 said:
Raising the gear on a go around is pretty standard civil side.
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Back in the Chieftain it depended on what I was doing at the time, but yeah it does appear to be pretty standard. It just sucks that there appears to have been enough distraction to break the normal habit pattern of checking the gear on his last pass. I still would like to think, in the MikeD perfect world, that there would be companies who wouldn't be too quick to pull the trigger on someone who makes an error, in light of the totality of circumstances.
 
The metro is a good looking airplane. Man, you RJ pretty boys can't appreciate jack, can ya? :)
 
I heard that the pilot had a Korean PFT FO on board. If that is true, it was another distraction he didn't need.
 
There was no FO on this flight. From what I have heard, termination is due to the insurance company... I am curious how a union could save your job after landing gear up.

Anyone have a case where a pilot was able to keep his job after landing gear up?

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