CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
More to blame, as far as I am concerned. They are the ones who accepted the deal they have.
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More to blame, as far as I am concerned. They are the ones who accepted the deal they have.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
Agreed. I still shake my head at our current 16 year contract (expires in 2013) and wonder why our union leaders then agreed to a contract of that length wherein our pay rates don't compensate for inflation or whatever other factors are considered.
scooter2525
Very well Member
Many qualified applications willing to work at that rate.
Where I work, the hiring process is very strict and they take only a certain type of pilot. I get the impression that most regional will take most people who have the times and can pass a technical interview. Don't taze me.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
For the most part, Scooter speaks the truth. Scooter....you've avoided being tazed.......this time....but we're watching you......closely.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
That depends on the staffing situation. Push comes to shove, they have and will. Otherwise, they do look for certain intangibles as well. Your company would likely be the same way, but I imagine that your staffing turnover rate isn't nearly so dramatic. More of a metered thing, correct?
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Historically, before the 16 year contract, there were up to four carriers operating on four certificates doing business as 'American Eagle'. AMR was whipsawing them all against each other and the effects were pretty dire. The 16 year contract was an attempt to stem the bleeding and make one combined Eagle carrier to achieve some stability. This 'Mega-Eagle' (Voltron-Eagle?) later gobbled up Biz-Ex. That's how we got to where we are today. There was good reason at the time. It's never been perfect, but I imagine that asking for something that hugely benefited the employee base and then tacking on auto-inflation adjustment was a little too pie-in-the-sky. That said, we're the only carrier I know of that has a guaranteed pay bump every year. The Industry Average Index (IAI) calculation guarantees that every year we get 1.5% added or the IAI based on comparable carriers operating similar equipment. In other words, we get at LEAST 1.5%, or MORE, if that's what keeping up with the Jones' entails.
So shake your head. No contract out there on the regional circuit compensates for inflation. Your own lack of historical education is the source of your heartburn. Things are often much more complicated than they appear.
So yeah- shake your head, continue complaining about things you don't understand- then resume your usual course of action. Doing nothing. Cheers.
[modhat]a personal shot? let's not, shall we...that's what pm's are for[/modhat]
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That's actually not true.
And I don't care if it ended a whipsaw and gave you gold plated tillers in every airplane, ANYBODY who's been in the aviation industry more than 3 years knows a whole lot can happen in 16 years. It's irresponsible to sign on the dotted line for something of that duration. I'm currently living under a 9 year contract right now (which is 2 years into Section 6). Ours was signed as a 4 year agreement and was extended twice because of Bankruptcy. Even with those mitigating factors, I think 9 years is too long as well.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
LOL! Thanks for the public beatdown, bro. Not sure how or why you felt it necessary, but good on ya. Feel better about yourself now?
In the future, if you'd like to sling personal attacks on my "lack of historical education" and/or "usual course of action" I'd appreciate it if you'd do so via PM.
Otherwise, Charlie, save your soapobox speaches until we see on another in person.
Capice?
In the future, if you'd like to sling personal attacks on my "lack of historical education" and/or "usual course of action" I'd appreciate it if you'd do so via PM.
Otherwise, Charlie, save your soapobox speaches until we see on another in person.
Capice?
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
Save your breath BobDuck. That entire diatribe was aimed at me.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
It may have been, but it was also aimed at anybody who doesn't blow sunshine 24 hours a day about the industry and have "carpe diem" tattooed on their ass.
I made my point so I'm cool with it.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
Duly noted.
zmiller4
Well-Known Member
+1 for Ready2fly. The man has stuck around for waaaaay longer than should be necessary at the regionals--and hasn't been pontificating 24/7 here about his company's growth, upgrades, etc.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Typical internet forum, actually.
ready2fly
Well-Known Member
My apologies folks. I had no intent of this thread being about me. It's not.
Let's get back on topic.
Thanks.
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
What a cluster. :insane:
There's a lot of finger pointing to go around, enough that you could distribute it amongst a whole bunch of folk and not strictly confine it to those who are directly in the "industry." Fortunately (or unfortunately) for me, the only part of the equation that I have any control at all over is me. I cannot control the whole system. But I can work, in a constructive and cooperative manner, to make my corner of it better. Safer. And I will, because it also happens to be in the public interest.
The typical "arr dey turk ar jarbz" is a little too simplistic. And arguing over what should or should not have been done years ago is futile (no matter how dumb it might appear in perfect hindsight). Get on with it, move forward. There are newer, bigger problems to solve than the problems of yesteryear.
Also, very fortunately for you all, you'll be largely spared my perspectives on finger pointing distribution unless you come over for :beer:
True. Very true. Doesn't mean there's a requirement to behave like the rest of the Internet, just 'cause one is on the Internet.
There's a lot of finger pointing to go around, enough that you could distribute it amongst a whole bunch of folk and not strictly confine it to those who are directly in the "industry." Fortunately (or unfortunately) for me, the only part of the equation that I have any control at all over is me. I cannot control the whole system. But I can work, in a constructive and cooperative manner, to make my corner of it better. Safer. And I will, because it also happens to be in the public interest.
The typical "arr dey turk ar jarbz" is a little too simplistic. And arguing over what should or should not have been done years ago is futile (no matter how dumb it might appear in perfect hindsight). Get on with it, move forward. There are newer, bigger problems to solve than the problems of yesteryear.
Also, very fortunately for you all, you'll be largely spared my perspectives on finger pointing distribution unless you come over for :beer:
True. Very true. Doesn't mean there's a requirement to behave like the rest of the Internet, just 'cause one is on the Internet.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
16 year contract in the airline, especially commuter airline, world is like that 1 billion year contract Scientology makes their people sign.
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