The University of Oklahoma and Pinnacle announce direct hire

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Pardon me for asking, and maybe it's been answered in the previous 3 pages. I'm too lazy to read.

Is Pinnacle really hurting THAT bad that they will take 250 hour wonders again? I'm sure they have plenty of QUALIFIED applicants, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I thought this 250 hour "fad" was over? Who cares where someone went to school? I'm not harping on anyone that went/goes to these schools. But really? Jesus H kids (I don't know why I say kids...I'm quite young myself)...WORK for the hours. Quit looking for the easy way. Get your CFI, work the line and network to build hours. Do something. At 250 you're not ready to be responsible for 50+ lives. It can be done. That is all.
 
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I just got off the phone yesterday with one of my best friends whos been at PNCL for awhile now. Basically, he's got a couple other mutual friends of ours jobs there and he's been trying to get me in for awhile but at a whooping 60 hours ME... I'm pretty SOL.

Anyways, he just talked to his station manager 3rd time about he and basically the response was because of the Colgan crash in Buffalo they're solid on the 200ME, so thats why it suprised me to see this.

Mind you I have the four year degree from an accredited four year university, Army Reserve, 1950TT, CRJ Transition Course from college (which the station manager said is useless), turboprop experience, Intl overwater experience you name it... but the 40ME is the deal breaker.

Really surprised me to see this.
 
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"In aviation the single most important piece of safety equipment, is a welled trained crew" -Sully Sullenberger
 
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BlueMoon said:
What kind of times are the guys form WMU coming to 9E with?
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The first wave from OU are all instructors that have been with the school for a while. Most have around 1000TT or more. However after that who knows what well send.
 
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v1valarob said:
So it's a done deal? In august we will have new rest rules?
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The law is absolutely a done deal. The finalized new rules is still being worked out by the FAA.. but the President signed it into law and the FAA is required by law to enact new rest rules on August 1, 2011. ATA/RAA lobbyists recently tried to get a carve out for certain non-schedule operations but the amendment was defeated.

Unfortunately, possession really is nine tenths of the law- until we're actually operating under the new rules, I'm loathe to sit back and rest easy. I guess we'll see how things are by mid-summer.
 
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I view these programs as a positive development. The profession is finally going in the right direction. The exception in the new law that allows flight credit for attending a university aviation program will serve to put an end to "pilot mills," and now becoming an airline pilot will be a minimum of a 4-year degree process. And guess what? ALPA will be involved in that process. ALPA has a Memorandum of Understanding with one college already to be directly involved in the school's curriculum, as well as hosting an on-campus club. These programs will allow all new pilots to be welcomed into the profession the right way, with direct involvement from THE pilots' union. Instead of a 6-month "zero to hero" program, newhire pilots will now have to go through a 4-year program which involves mentorship, CRM training, human factors training, etc. We are finally guiding the pilot hiring pipeline, much like the AMA or ABA. I'm feeling optimistic about our profession's future.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
I view these programs as a positive development. The profession is finally going in the right direction. The exception in the new law that allows flight credit for attending a university aviation program will serve to put an end to "pilot mills," and now becoming an airline pilot will be a minimum of a 4-year degree process. And guess what? ALPA will be involved in that process. ALPA has a Memorandum of Understanding with one college already to be directly involved in the school's curriculum, as well as hosting an on-campus club. These programs will allow all new pilots to be welcomed into the profession the right way, with direct involvement from THE pilots' union. Instead of a 6-month "zero to hero" program, newhire pilots will now have to go through a 4-year program which involves mentorship, CRM training, human factors training, etc. We are finally guiding the pilot hiring pipeline, much like the AMA or ABA. I'm feeling optimistic about our profession's future.
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Well said. Programs like this one is definitely a step in the right direction.
 
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Trip7 said:
Well said. Programs like this one is definitely a step in the right direction.
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I agree, but I just hope it doesn't ridiculously cut the amount of ATP TT requirements... Regardless of what college training one has had, 250 hours is NOT enough for an ATP.
 
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I agree, but I just hope it doesn't ridiculously cut the amount of ATP TT requirements... Regardless of what college training one has had, 250 hours is NOT enough for an ATP.
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Just a side note regarding the direct hire agreement. Of coarse if we don't have the hours for an ATP then we aren't going to be getting the ATP until we get those hours in the right seat. However, the agreement does state that the direct hire applicants will have to meet the 121 minimums when they are officially law. Of coarse that is a given, but it does mean that even with the direct hire agreement students will still have to gain experience to get the job after this law in put into place. Before then though? Who knows. I've got 700 total and 75 ME, I'm in.
 
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wrxpilot said:
I agree, but I just hope it doesn't ridiculously cut the amount of ATP TT requirements... Regardless of what college training one has had, 250 hours is NOT enough for an ATP.
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Word on the street is that the max reduction will be 750 hours.
 
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Dynasty22 said:
I hate to say this, but maybe DCA got this right...with the bridge type program being that you be flight instructor for 800-1000 hours then get the interview? Certainly must be better than 300 hour wet cfi just graduating college
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I'd agree, if DCA actually paid an okay wage. I was making $6 more an hour than a DCA CFI in a city with a lower cost of living.


And yeah, 9E really is that desperate. 2000 hours of open time in each seat at the start of the month, the company's offering 200% for any open time pick ups, reserves are being flown until they drop and the open time limits in the new contract haven't come into play yet.
 
kellwolf said:
And yeah, 9E really is that desperate. 2000 hours of open time in each seat at the start of the month, the company's offering 200% for any open time pick ups, reserves are being flown until they drop and the open time limits in the new contract haven't come into play yet.
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How hard to get DTW out of the schoolhouse?
 
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random question sooner9, but were you flying OUA9 on saturday to ama?
 
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I think that we will see a 'Frozen' ATP, ie the JAA. This will mandate all the ATP theory to be compete along with a commercial muti-engine rating. Once one has the required hours for the ATP, the 'frozen' ATP will be thawed. The AABI accredited four year uni programs, will be the ones able to offer the fATP.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
Word on the street is that the max reduction will be 750 hours.
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Yeah I took a CRM course and a Human Factors course, I'd rather have the pilot with the extra 750 hours. If you want to require a four year degree great, but classroom education doesn't equal real world experience ever.
 
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jhugz said:
Yeah I took a CRM course and a Human Factors course, I'd rather have the pilot with the extra 750 hours. If you want to require a four year degree great, but classroom education doesn't equal real world experience ever.
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But I haz degree from Embry that costz lotz ouf money. The teachde CRM and that meakz me qualified to sit right seat at 250hrsz, no? !!!11!11!!!!!1!!!!


Edit to add: I realize this post seems like a slam on anyone who went to Riddle. It's not. It's a slam on those who think that because they went to Riddle, they are entitled to a job with a regional.
 
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mshunter said:
But I haz degree from Embry that costz lotz ouf money. The teachde CRM and that meakz me qualified to sit right seat at 250hrsz, no? !!!11!11!!!!!1!!!!
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Who needs PIC time to fly a jet? The FMS makes all PIC decisions for you? Right?
 
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