New Student, Second Attempt

saria19

saria19

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Recently a student was assigned to me that had already been signed off by a previous instructor for his checkride. He didn't pass. I trained him for a few weeks then signed him off myself and he passed. My question is if since this would be my first time signing off this student (even if it was his second attempt on the checkride), if this could count towards my Gold Seal?
 
There have been varying answers on here as to if it counts or not. I'd call the FSDO that will be processing your paperwork, and ask them.
 
(i) A record of training students showing that, during the preceding 24 calendar months, the flight instructor has endorsed at least 5 students for a practical test for a certificate or rating and at least 80 percent of those students passed that test on the first attempt.
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(3) within the past 24 months has accom-
plished one of the following:
(a) trained and recommended for
certification at least 10 applicants for certificates or
ratings; 80 percent of these applicants must have
passed the flight test on their first attempt;
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I was just wondering about this and I agree with the general response. Any thoughts on whether this student counts against your record in terms of the 80% that we need to pass?
 
If you were the initial CFI who signed them off and they did not pass - it counts towards your overall record.
If you were the initial CFI who signed them off and they did pass - it counts towards your overall record.
If you were a CFI who signed a student off after their initial attempt and they pass - it does not count towards your overall record.
 
moxiepilot said:
If you were a CFI who signed a student off after their initial attempt and they pass - it does not count towards your overall record.
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Depends on the FSDO. The Scottsdale FSDO disagree's with you even though I agree. Call your FSDO and just ask.
 
:facepalm:

It's clear in the FEDERAL REGULATIONS as to what the answer is. Your answer, John (and while you may agree with me), is like going to the local court house to get their interpretation of a Supreme court ruling. Supreme court trumps local court. Likewise Federal Regs trump local when it comes to interpretation... We're trying to make the answer more clear - not less. While your point of Scottsdale is interesting, lets give the poster the correct answer and let them start to sort out the grey area...
 
I actually think jhugz has got it right. Although it may seem perfectly clear, we've all seen different interpretations by different FSDOs. And although we could go all the way to the supreme court of Oklahoma City, we really wouldn't get very far.

When it matters to me I'll give a call to the closest FSDOs and take my 8710 to the one that gives the PROPER answer. :)
 
moxiepilot said:
:facepalm:

It's clear in the FEDERAL REGULATIONS as to what the answer is. Your answer, JAMES (and while you may agree with me), is like going to the local court house to get their interpretation of a Supreme court ruling. Supreme court trumps local court. Likewise Federal Regs trump local when it comes to interpretation... We're trying to make the answer more clear - not less. While your point of Scottsdale is interesting, lets give the poster the correct answer and let them start to sort out the grey area...
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;)

To be honest we get this all the time from FSDO to FSDO on different issues. I honestly don't think it's a big deal. If your FSDO will let you take advantage of their ruling, then so be it. A lot of the CFI's at my old gig used this interp to get their gold seal. I don't see any harm in a phone call.
 
James, John... :P

I agree - its not really that big of a deal. Overall it really is just chest puffery for the applicant for those of us who are just too lazy to do it.
To me it's about as meaningful as having a Restricted Radiotelephone Operator permit. But then again I am Mr. Yuk.
 
it seems to me that it's a real dis-incentive for an instructor to take on a student who failed a checkride with a previous instructor if you can't count it toward your 80% pass rate, or even for retraining your own student so that you can cancel out a failure
 
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