Would this used plane have any market in the US?
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Blackhawk
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Actually, reading the policy letter I'm not sure how the location where you did this training did so legally as there are MES airplanes with standard airworthiness certificates and the FAA policy states:
"Training deviations will be issued only (my emphasis), for training that can not be conducted in aircraft holding standard airworthiness certificates."
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Adler
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There is no Aircam Amphibian with a standard airworthiness certificate.
Blackhawk
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But there are MES aircraft with standard airworthiness certificates. If the intent of the training was Aircam training they can do it. If the intent of the training is commercial MES training they are crossing the line IAW the policy letter.
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Adler
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I don't know why you want to argue this so much. Believe what you want, but just know that the FAA does make exceptions. Evidence A) my license.
Blackhawk
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Because the FAA policy is quite clear about the intent. The intent was so that people could get type specific training. From your avatar that may well be the case in this situation. If, however, there is an airplane with a standard airworthiness certificate that can do the training that is what you are suppose to use and no exception should be granted. You may have the certificate, but if the FAA finds out that this was an abuse of their policy (I don't know enough about the operation or your specifics to comment directly on it), they will go after the examiner involved. They will then in all likelihood go through his check ride records and revoke the certificates of all applicants involved. (Not necessarily the entire certificate but that portion based upon the training involved).
Personally I don't have a dog in the fight. If, however, I was giving MES training and found myself being underbid by an operation using experimental aircraft I might drop a dime on the operation.
Back to the OPs question, since there are TW airplanes with standard airworthiness certificates in the US these airplanes could not be legally used for TW training in a commercial operation. Not to say there would not be a market, just not as big a market. Also, "all metal" is not necessarily a good thing. Makes the airplane quite a bit heavier and other trade offs.
CoffeeIcePapers
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Looks like a neat airplane. I would have concerns about the quality control, however.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
And you don't with American airplanes (a la Eclipse)? I don't particularly have any problems with foreign manufactured aircraft. There's no reason why people abroad wouldn't want to die / kill anyone anymore than we do. If the airplane is being properly maintained, then you're probably safe.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
This honestly sounds like the kind of plane I like to fly
(low slow taildragger etc)
Problem is parts. It's easy to buy something that has been around for a while here because parts are easily available. If I were to buy the boero, how stuck would I be or how expensive would parts be?
That, I think, is the most important part of an aircraft, not exactly the initial buying cost.
With that said, if I could find a decently priced one it might be worth buying it and flying it regardless of mx.
(low slow taildragger etc)
Problem is parts. It's easy to buy something that has been around for a while here because parts are easily available. If I were to buy the boero, how stuck would I be or how expensive would parts be?
That, I think, is the most important part of an aircraft, not exactly the initial buying cost.
With that said, if I could find a decently priced one it might be worth buying it and flying it regardless of mx.
CoffeeIcePapers
Well-Hung Member
I don't have a problem with all foreign aircraft, but do have concerns about an Argentinian aircraft.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Meh I'd fly it, same with Russian manufactured equipment, or Chinese equipment.
swisspilot
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Quality is top notch, I would be more worried about how MX was on them at the different flight schools. they are built really nice, a lot nicer then all the piper we have here that have been built by Embraer under license.
swisspilot
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Parts are easy to find and cheap, the company is still making parts and all over Brazil there are parts sitting in the back of hangars. No problems for the engine either..
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
since US flight schools are getting rid of them, I can kinda see why the Brazilian flight schools are picking them up..
They have to go somewhere
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
the problem is the parts are over there, we need them over here!
swisspilot
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4 reasons:
-This airplanes are dirt cheap in the US, compared to what most planes sell here in Brazil (a C152 on the market here can be sold for 50-55K dollars)
-C150-152 can be used for IFR training (now the only alternative for IFR training is the Piper Turbo Arrow IV that rents for 400 dollars wet).
-There are lots of new schools that are private and not supported by the govt.
-The 172 is not certified for PPL flight instruction, so you can`t use it.
a c-152 rents for 150-180 dollars wet
swisspilot
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Nothing really brakes on this planes, they are so simple you have no idea. There are lots of parts that can be bought in the US, when something is scheduled to be replaced you have all the time to get it....
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
ok I'm beginning to like this idea more and more...
is it FAA certified for normal/util category or would it have to be under experimental?
I would of course only use this plane for fun but the option value of it needs to make it so in the future I could potentially instruct in it, or sell it to somebody who plans to instruct in it.
I really want to fly one of those, but in a land of 400/hr arrow and 150/hr 152 I'm not sure I can afford to fly.
That seems to be like a piper cub, but a little more modern, but still simple. It's almost everything I want in a taildragger.
How much are they going for again?
