Formation of ACE Committee(s)

Kristie said:
if ACE has to be classified as for-profit simply because it falls under the JC profit/budget structure then what? we need to break it out from JC, make it it's own venture and continue down the road into the not-for-profit sector? because my understanding is that for-profit and not-for-profit are classified the same whereas for-profit/not-for-profit and non-profit are different..
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Again, I don't have clue about what you mean by this!
 
Codyjp said:
Certainly, it may be quite useful to 'lose' income on ACE but to form a 501C is a whole 'nother story which is a bit more difficult to pull off considering it is an employment event focused on drinking and partying.
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Not sure if you've been, but if you think that is THE focus you are missing the whole point....
 
JEP said:
Not sure if you've been, but if you think that is THE focus you are missing the whole point....
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By looking through the pictures it sure seems like it. I've never been compelled to go and get blitzed with my peers at a jobs event and can fully understand why recruiters are hesitant to sign up.
 
Bumblebee said:
Interesting perspective...I never viewed it that way, but I have been there for nearly all of them.
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I'm certainly on the outside looking in and after the event there is a few weeks of ACE photos that are dominated by drunk people in random places in casinos, clothed drunk people in hot tubs and others passed out. Don't get me wrong, I just don't think I'd go to a networking/career event and then post photos of me drunk online, nor would I want others to do it. I'm most certainly not saying you can't get drunk, I just wouldn't make it the poster child of the main event.

Ok, just went looking. Seems the photo thread has been tactfully cleaned up. Good call.

But here is one example.

[modhat]point taken...[/modhat]

I just don't think I'd be interested in interviewing this guy? He is probably a great person, but it'd be hard to take him seriously in an interview after this.
 
I understand completely...I think one time they had a picture of me on a couch and acted as if I had passed out, but I was merely very tired from my "drive by" 16 hours in vegas...

I think this is a very important perspective we need to address, and adjust to be sure it doesn't happen again.
 
Not sure if this helps or not but I know for non-profit you can't have more than (aprox $20,000) in cash at one time. I was treasurer for 2 awful years on our crappy homeowners assocation board (which is nonprofit) where I learned very little but did learn a few things. So say you could have $50,000 over the course of the year but not a the same time...ie paving roads...we would have $20,000 in the bank, spend that then could get $20,000 more and spend that...as long as it wasn't ever more than that at once. Also there was some kind of random permit type thing we had to pay 10 bucks a year for to keep our nonprofit. No one on the board got paid either, any money we spent went to basically maintence snow, roads, though we did/do a once a year santa fly in in which we put up money for presents and food and such. Not sure if this helps much just my limited experience with a nonprofit.....
 
Have you ever been to a networking convention, not including ACE? I have... I seem to remember them as business during the day, party during the evening. Within limits of course, but there is no reason people cannot be adults and have fun. I actually would look forward to those conventions (again, not only ACE), because I could network with recruiters and go out with my group in the evenings to explore and party in whatever city we were in.

There will always be a few people who get carried away, sure. But most people can be responsible adults and have FUN while also being a professional. It is disturbing that "professional" pilots these day associate having fun as being something negative. Seriously, lighten up. You will NEVER last in this career if you can't relax and laugh.

What should be done at ACE after the recruiting event? Rent a projector-TV and watch Top Gun/Airplane/etc. while sipping Coke's deep into the evening?

Why do you think Las Vegas is such a booming market for conventions and other such events?
 
If volunteering is allowed, I volunteer to do whatever is needed to be done.

If volunteering isn't allowed, I'd like to offer my consulting and logistical services as an independent contractor.
I charge an agreeable rate based on the John Cusack rate per event.

$2 for the event duration sound okay? :)
 
FlyChicaga said:
Then people shouldn't be so quick to post the photos. I'm not fond of the photographic evidence, either.
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Which is precisely my point.

I've not been, but my impression is it is a drunk fest. I know that isn't the 'right' impression, but from the outside looking it it is hard to think otherwise.
 
FlyChicaga said:
Then people shouldn't be so quick to post the photos. I'm not fond of the photographic evidence, either.
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Or the constant drive to find the "fail" and post all about it, on this networking website.

Be forewarned, folks, those who post those pictures and/or hold contests like that are NOT your friends.
 
hokuspocus said:
Not sure if this helps or not but I know for non-profit you can't have more than (aprox $20,000) in cash at one time. I was treasurer for 2 awful years on our crappy homeowners assocation board (which is nonprofit) where I learned very little but did learn a few things. So say you could have $50,000 over the course of the year but not a the same time...ie paving roads...we would have $20,000 in the bank, spend that then could get $20,000 more and spend that...as long as it wasn't ever more than that at once. Also there was some kind of random permit type thing we had to pay 10 bucks a year for to keep our nonprofit. No one on the board got paid either, any money we spent went to basically maintence snow, roads, though we did/do a once a year santa fly in in which we put up money for presents and food and such. Not sure if this helps much just my limited experience with a nonprofit.....
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I don't know the legal specifics for housing associations (they may have a different non-profit classification), but a 501c(3) (charitable organization or foundation) or 501c(6) (trade/industry/educational association) non-profit does not have such limits.

If NJC intendes to *incorporate* as a non-profit (i.e. be spun off from JC as its own independent legal entity), there'd be a lot of work involved- Creating bylaws, naming a Board of Directors, meetings and minutes, paperwork, and filing taxes and legal forms. Lots of paperwork (I used to be the corporate secretary for a flying club that was a 501c (3) ). In exchange, there'd be tax breaks from the IRS and discounts (some hotels for instance will offer a better rate to non-profits)

Otherwise, if NJC is a not-for-profit venture of JC, then it's just a branch of JC ( a "product" if you will) that just happens to not be making a profit for JC at this time.

hope this helps
 
My airline was very impressed with the event and is looking forward to coming back. I got very good feedback from my recruiters about the business day.

Think of the social mixers as a continued interview. You want someone that can be professional when called for, and when it's time to let the hair down a bit (layover), you want someone that can be social enough, but not be a hazard.

I mean you don't want to have someone that will get you into a fight every time you have a beer, but you sure don't want to talk to a cardboard cutout at dinner either.
 
Polar742 said:
My airline was very impressed with the event and is looking forward to coming back. I got very good feedback from my recruiters about the business day.

Think of the social mixers as a continued interview. You want someone that can be professional when called for, and when it's time to let the hair down a bit (layover), you want someone that can be social enough, but not be a hazard.

I mean you don't want to have someone that will get you into a fight every time you have a beer, but you sure don't want to talk to a cardboard cutout at dinner either.
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what do you know about letting your hair down....? ;) I know, I know. Pot meet kettle !!!! :rotfl:
 
I'm free to do whatever is needed for the next event.....doesn't matter what the job function is. I can call around to hotels in LAS, or set up spaces, etc. Just let me know!

PS. If you need me to bill you for my services, I do have an LLC set up here that I already use as a small business. I charge half what Charlie charges, but won't work for free as a protoscab. LOL
 
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