Elementary School Students Receiving Misdemeanor tickets

Bandit_Driver

Bandit_Driver

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While I'll be the first to agree that something needs to be done about the misbehaving youth in the schools today; giving a misdemeanor ticket isn't the answer. Not to mention it could have lasting effects on their professional life years later. While certain actions by students do need to have a criminal consequences the majority don't. The schools need to hold the students and parents accountable. This can be done through detention, community service, and holding the student's parents financially responsible for property damage.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/01/12/schools-giving-tickets-not-detention-slips-report-says/
 
I saw this and my jaw dropped. I know educators have a huge responsibility and their resources are often stretched thing but damn, pushing kids as young as 6 into the criminal justice system seems..well criminal.
 
:banghead: Seriously? Do they not realize that this can have lasting effects on their entire lives?
What happened to detentions or suspensions? And making a family that could be struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads pay up to $500 because a kid "disrupted class"?
 
Juvenile records are sealed in many states and may not follow you anywhere.

Or said another way, "there is no permanent record."

Don't let ignorance fuel your anger, get educated on the laws in your jurisdiction regarding juvenile records.
 
jtrain - maybe so, but what do you think of the (Californian) fad of charging those under 18 as adults?

Pilotforhire587 said:
Insane!!! It all starts in the home guys...
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Yes, and the problem is not all parents, parent.

You have a choice between juvenile criminals and the state acting in loco parentis...

Not an educator here, but I'd rather see the administrative discipline the schools can/do apply exhausted before writing out a misdemeanor ticket. I understand the school's getting law enforcement involved, though, having seen some of the behavior at my high school, it makes sense to have the cops around.

Wow, typing that really made me sad.
 
John

No record is ever really sealed. Just ask those that are required to get high level security clearances. They dig through everything.

What is sealed by a man can be unsealed by another.

Depending on the crime and age I have no problem with charging a juvenile as an adult. Murder is one such crime.
 
jtrain609 said:
Juvenile records are sealed in many states and may not follow you anywhere.

Or said another way, "there is no permanent record."

Don't let ignorance fuel your anger, get educated on the laws in your jurisdiction regarding juvenile records.
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If a permanent record is the parent's only concern when their very juvenile child gets a ticket, then it's no wonder their child is causing problems......

I think your "lawyering" is not letting you think outside of the box.
 
There's a 200+ page study attached to this story. I casually flipped through it, knowing the tendency of the media to bend facts to make headlines. It was an interesting read.


As a parent of two teenagers, living in Dallas-it's my responsibility to teach my kids the absolute wrath of hell that will descend upon them should I ever be on the receiving end of a fine as a result of their behavior either in or out of school, and to instill in them the doors in life they very well may be closing by having a record (even if it is a juvenile record, which doesn't remain sealed under every circumstance).

One is 19, one is almost 17. So far, so good - because it DOES start at home...
 
Bandit_Driver said:
John

No record is ever really sealed. Just ask those that are required to get high level security clearances. They dig through everything.

What is sealed by a man can be unsealed by another.

Depending on the crime and age I have no problem with charging a juvenile as an adult. Murder is one such crime.
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From what I understand many states shred their juvenile records at a certain point. So unsealing them would be impossible.
 
Again, you guys need to get educated on the laws in your various jurisdictions. If we flew airplanes with this level of conjecture and ignorance we'd all be smoking holes in the ground.

Also, you guys know how we hate the media because they never get ANYTHING right about airplanes? It applies to other areas too.
 
Reporting that 4,000 kids received misdemeanor tickets is not the same as reporting that Jetblue's Airbus A320 is dumping fuel over the Pacific for an emergency landing at LAX..
 
What a great opportunity to tell that darling child, "Hey! Behave because mom and dad can't bail ya out of this one!"

:)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Ma- and paternity leave. Both. Because nothing is better than having both parents around.
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I've had almost 2 years of paternity leave....but I'm not getting paid for it. :)

My sister is a counselor in an inner city school that recieved special funds to beef up its performance. They made great strides in doing things like getting rid of non-performing gang members, raising the graduation rates and testing scores but then they pretty much hit a roadblock. You can only implement so much change by only focusing on one area of society. These kids had a better school to go to than they did a few years earlier, but they still lived in the same community. One without decent jobs, educated role models or any visible incentives that would encourage the kids to work hard and give them a vision for their future.

I understand that administrators at schools with a low ses population are frustrated. I'm not sure if handing out tickets is really that effective though. From what I've read, it doesn't seem like charging parents with truancy violations illicits much change in most situations.
 
greaper007 said:
I've had almost 2 years of paternity leave....but I'm not getting paid for it. :)

My sister is a counselor in an inner city school that recieved special funds to beef up its performance. They made great strides in doing things like getting rid of non-performing gang members, raising the graduation rates and testing scores but then they pretty much hit a roadblock. You can only implement so much change by only focusing on one area of society. These kids had a better school to go to than they did a few years earlier, but they still lived in the same community. One without decent jobs, educated role models or any visible incentives that would encourage the kids to work hard and give them a vision for their future.

I understand that administrators at schools with a low ses population are frustrated. I'm not sure if handing out tickets is really that effective though. From what I've read, it doesn't seem like charging parents with truancy violations illicits much change in most situations.
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I'll probably get flamed by my more leftist colleagues for this, but I'm in favor of having the worst of the truants round up and arrested. Some places do this. Follow the logic: if the parents don't care they won't do anything about the truancy. So go after the violator him or herself, and show him or her that violating society's rules does indeed have consequences.

I can't think of any more fitting punishment than being cuffed, and sent to school, for not going to school. The Sheriff's deputies will bring you to school in the paddywagon in the morning and they'll pick you up in the afternoon...Like in school suspension but on an epic life-ruining scale. "Oh, you mean I have to follow the rules and if I don't I lose liberty? I'll comply immediately, officer."
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I'll probably get flamed by my more leftist colleagues for this, but I'm in favor of having the worst of the truants round up and arrested. Some places do this. Follow the logic: if the parents don't care they won't do anything about the truancy. So go after the violator him or herself, and show him or her that violating society's rules does indeed have consequences.

I can't think of any more fitting punishment than being cuffed, and sent to school, for not going to school. The Sheriff's deputies will bring you to school in the paddywagon in the morning and they'll pick you up in the afternoon...Like in school suspension but on an epic life-ruining scale. "Oh, you mean I have to follow the rules and if I don't I lose liberty? I'll comply immediately, officer."
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They have that to a certain extent. My sister has a list of students everyday that aren't attending because they're in the "jail school." Now, no one knows why they're in the jail school, but for whatever reason they are. It also seems like a better solution than letting them muddy the waters of the general population. I know her school was able to get rid of a lot of problems when they started kicking out non-performing gang members. They weren't exactly kicked out for being in a gang, it was usually that they hadn't earned enough credits and were too old for their current grade level. They were given the option of dropping out or going to an alternative school or program. Like I said though, even with all their efforts they still hit a performance wall based primarily on the population of kids that they had in their school and where they go home to every night.
 
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