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BigMilks

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I was impressed with the operation of ATP enough to get my ATP with them in Arizona. I thought this is a great place to work until I find an airline job and hopefully after I retire again.

I attempted to apply but met with resistance in Sacramento and little from it's home office. I noticed that there seemed to be an absence of minority representation on the staff and wonder if that is a silent part of the hiring policy. I hope not since I would love an opportunity to work in their program.

Gia
 
You wonder if ATP discriminates against minorities? That is a new one. No, they don't. As an instructor, I worked along side Females, Indian Americans, African Americans, Gay Americans, Mexican Americans, and even some people from other countries.
 
I saw all sorts of minorities working as instructors while I was going through the program.

The reason for the resistance is probably because of the job program the have in place for their ACPP and CFI programs. They probably don't need to hire outside of that.

They also like to higher people with lots of Seminole time. I'm sure you minority status has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Basically yes. When they have more then enough people coming out of their programs why would they hire off the street.

They have a steady stream of CFIs that know how to fly their airplanes the way they want them flown.
 
As a former student and employee I can assure you that what you are alleging is false-the culture at ATP is very strongly towards hiring from their own graduates of the Airline Career Pilot Program. There's really no process for dropping off a resume and talking to the management. We did hire some people that did the CFI program, but I never saw anyone hired that just did an ATP or multi rating. They would rather hire someone who has been flying their airplanes with their procedures since day 1.
 
I worked there for two years and we had several very good instructors who never did an ATP program. In fact, our best and probably most respected instructor had only taken his ATP written at ATP.
 
bigmilks said:
i was impressed with the operation of atp enough to get my atp with them in arizona. I thought this is a great place to work until i find an airline job and hopefully after i retire again.

I attempted to apply but met with resistance in sacramento and little from it's home office. I noticed that there seemed to be an absence of minority representation on the staff and wonder if that is a silent part of the hiring policy. I hope not since i would love an opportunity to work in their program.

Gia
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unbelievable.
 
BigMilks said:
I attempted to apply but met with resistance in Sacramento and little from it's home office. I noticed that there seemed to be an absence of minority representation on the staff and wonder if that is a silent part of the hiring policy. I hope not since I would love an opportunity to work in their program.

Gia
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Out with the race card......

It HAS to be racism.....what else could it be? :banghead:
 
guywhoflies said:
I believe he did CFI school with ATP and that was how they knew who he was and he was able to get a job...but I may be wrong.
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Correct... you are wrong. ;)

There was a time... and probably will be again... when you could get hired at ATP with a good LOR and some decent multi-time. LM fell into this slot during that last window of opportunity. ATP, like any good company should, will adjust to the economic environment and assess their needs as they go.

Since I left ATP 6+ years ago... there has been at least 2 or 3 windows of opportunity for Non-ATP grads to get hired. It's really more of a supply and demand issue. I see the priorities along these lines:

1. Hire ATP grads.
2. Hire Multi-CFI/II's who have completed CFI School with ATP.
3. Hire Multi-CFI/II's who have completed a rating with ATP.
4. Hire Multi-CFI/II's with with decent multi-time (preferably in the 'nole).

Letter's of Recommendation will always carry some added weight to any of the above.

Bob
 
LoadMasterC141 said:
You wonder if ATP discriminates against minorities? That is a new one. No, they don't. As an instructor, I worked along side Females, Indian Americans, African Americans, Gay Americans, Mexican Americans, and even some people from other countries.
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I'm not sure why you need to mention any americans...

You mean Women, Indians, Blacks, Gays, Mexicans and immigrants?

Wait a minute.. What exactly is an indian american, or mexican american?? They're either born here or they're not. He's either indian or he's american.

Are white americans referred to as European Americans? most blacks have been here for hundreds of years, why must we still call them african americans, but whites can be called just americans?

What about Haitians, or people from Trinidad? Are they african americans or are they Trinidad americans? How can you tell from afar?

Africa's a place not a race.
 
I think adding, "American" at the end of a descriptor makes it sound less derogatory and obscures the divisive nature of the term. Like if I were to say, "Mike, yeah, he's a gay" vs. "Mike, yeah, he's a gay American". Which one sounds better? You're still saying the same thing, that the dude is different because he's gay. Adding "American" at the end makes is seem like its not so bad after all because we can at least share our common citizenship.

I agree with the basis of what you're saying. Labeling people by their ancestors place of birth sets up a conscious or subconscious wall between individuals.
 
PDT565 said:
I think adding, "American" at the end of a descriptor makes it sound less derogatory and obscures the divisive nature of the term. Like if I were to say, "Mike, yeah, he's a gay" vs. "Mike, yeah, he's a gay American". Which one sounds better? You're still saying the same thing, that the dude is different because he's gay. Adding "American" at the end makes is seem like its not so bad after all because we can at least share our common citizenship.

I agree with the basis of what you're saying. Labeling people by their ancestors place of birth sets up a conscious or subconscious wall between individuals.
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Because American gays are better than regular, run-of-the-mill foreigner gays.



:)
 
PDT565 said:
I think adding, "American" at the end of a descriptor makes it sound less derogatory and obscures the divisive nature of the term. Like if I were to say, "Mike, yeah, he's a gay" vs. "Mike, yeah, he's a gay American". Which one sounds better? You're still saying the same thing, that the dude is different because he's gay. Adding "American" at the end makes is seem like its not so bad after all because we can at least share our common citizenship.

I agree with the basis of what you're saying. Labeling people by their ancestors place of birth sets up a conscious or subconscious wall between individuals.
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It's not even just that, it's the fact that it's not ok to call someone who is clearly black "black" while it's ok to say he's african american. He might not even be american, but he's still clearly black. like the gay example, calling him gay american gives you the notion that you know he's american, but how do you know he's american? Could he be a gay brit? a gay australian?

I don't care so much about picking a fight with you guys, it's just one of those pet peeves of mine and it's hard to let it slip by. There's not a lot I advocate (besides not taking free jobs), but sugarcoating and making things PC is one of them
 
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