Legality of Ipad for charts insead of Paper

KDoersom

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At my flight department we are thinking of getting rid of the paper and getting Ipads with Foreflight on it to use as our charts. We are a part 91 operator. According to AC 120-76A and AC91-78 I think that we will be legal. I know that AA is looking into using Ipad for there charts and have heard a rumor that Jet blue is as well. Any info on those airlines using them would be appreciated.

Thank you

Keith
 
Part 91 there is no requirement to even have charts on the airplane. Unless you operate under subpart K I think.
 
Part 91 there is no requirement to even have charts on the airplane. Unless you operate under subpart K I think.
That's correct.

But even then, 91.503(a)(3) and (a)(4) don't say "paper."

The biggest worry is probably an Inspector who is still stuck somewhere in 1950.
 
The answer is really dependant on what type of operation your running, the conditions, and how you're going to be using the iPad. Also what type of avionics you're using.

Please provide a little more information...
 
Fly a BE350 in a part 91 operation. All we will be using the Ipad for is charts. Most likely will get 2 of them so we can have a back up. feel free to pm me for more info on the flight department.

Keith
 
The answer is really dependant on what type of operation your running, the conditions, and how you're going to be using the iPad. Also what type of avionics you're using.

Please provide a little more information...
I am really interested about what you see as the relevant conditions. The ones I can think of offhand:

1. Using the GPS functionality for primary navigation: That piece would be no different than for any other noncertified GPS installation

But that's not what the OP is asking; sounds to me that we're only talking about the type of media used for the charts. For example, you don't really need GPS to use the charts on an iPad - you can go to and bring up the ones you need just like with paper (although using less space and in theory quicker). In that case, whai I think wouold count:


2. Is is Part 121, 135 - Regardless of whether it's "really" OK, in the absense of an overall regulatory blessing, probably needs to be dealt with in OpSpecs. Without guidance from the FAA as a whole, whether you are going to have a problem with it will depend on who investigates. Might as well get the nay or ok up front.

3. Is it Part 91. For non Part F ops, where charts are not a requilatory requirement? The chances are it's ok to toss the paper and use the electronics, subject to the usual warnings about id somehting goes wrong, there's going to be more ecrutiny over the unusual than the usual.

4. Is it Subpart F, where charts are required? Id like to say what I said before - charts are charts. But at least having a set of paper charts on board as a backup is pretty cheap insurace against a potential enforcement action.

What other considerations do you see and how do you think they weigh in on the issue?
 
No legality issue with it there. I know in many areas of 135 and 121 operation the only regulations on EFB's is that you must have more than once source from which to get the charts. That means either one EFB (electronic flight bag) and paper charts, or two EFB's running from 2 different databases on two different electrical systems.

I heard a while back that some airlines were going to try and go completely paperless on aircraft like the 777, and the new 787
 
We have two ipads in our flight department. One for our lear and citation. They work great.

Also, they are available in cubs.... http://icub.aero/

I saw this airplane at the Reklaw Fly-in back in october. It was pretty cool. There is a dock for the ipad for the front seat, and a dock for an iphone for the rear seat
 
I used the iPad with Foreflight on two cross-country flights (DAB to LGB and back) in a Seminole and a Duchess. Awesome tool, but it has crashed a few times while re-routing and overlaying weather.
It doesn't like direct rerouting to a waypoint, you'll get a whole bunch of errors, you have to manually select the 'waypoint' box. In other words, if you want to go direct to VOR's fine, if you want/need/directed to waypoints, it's not very straightforward and increases workload. Also the flight log doesn't update in flight, so you have to have an e6b around. The iPad is also kind of big for a small cockpit like a Seminole. We had to move it around a little to find a good spot for it. But coupled by bluetooth to my Zulus, it was very enjoyable to listen to music in the same time. On a single charge I got about 9hrs which is pretty amazing. And the cell phone coverage is very impressive, we got live weather pretty much everywhere on our route. Also it's quite bright, even with the brightness all the way down, and even in "night" mode, it's distracting. Hopefully the next version of Foreflight will have adressed these small issues.
 
We have two ipads in our flight department. One for our lear and citation. They work great.

Also, they are available in cubs.... http://icub.aero/

I saw this airplane at the Reklaw Fly-in back in october. It was pretty cool. There is a dock for the ipad for the front seat, and a dock for an iphone for the rear seat

I`m pretty sure a cub can fly the GPS RWY 18 approach in Lake Tahoe???? they really need to change that picture
 
Part 91 there is no requirement to even have charts on the airplane. Unless you operate under subpart K I think.

Or if you operate a Large or Turbine Powered Multi Engine Airplane.

91.503(a)(3)
(a) The pilot in command of an airplane shall ensure that the following flying equipment and aeronautical charts and data, in current and appropriate form, are accessible for each flight at the pilot station of the airplane:
(3) Pertinent aeronautical charts.
 
Or if you operate a Large or Turbine Powered Multi Engine Airplane.

91.503(a)(3)
(a) The pilot in command of an airplane shall ensure that the following flying equipment and aeronautical charts and data, in current and appropriate form, are accessible for each flight at the pilot station of the airplane:
(3) Pertinent aeronautical charts.
Yeah. mshunter mentioned subpart K. It's also subpart F (which references fractionals also).
 
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