Exit Runway ASAP?

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liveupthere

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So, several times I've been decelerating on the runway and didn't receive taxi instructions until I basically came to a complete stop. In the meantime I had probably passed 2 or 3 suitable exits. So I ask...If we don't hear immediate runway exit instructions, should we assume you guys want us off at the first able exit?

(I know I need to be off asap if there is someone landing right behind me...I also understand there is no point in exiting the runway on a taxiway that would block another a/c...spare me those scenarios)

Also, I'd like this answered by a controller. Not another pilot telling me what he/she does. No offense at all.
 
I guess I should start by saying I'm "just another pilot" but...

From the AIM
4-3-20. Exiting the Runway After Landing

The following procedures must be followed after landing and reaching taxi speed.

a. Exit the runway without delay at the first available taxiway or on a taxiway as instructed by ATC. Pilots shall not exit the landing runway onto another runway unless authorized by ATC. At airports with an operating control tower, pilots should not stop or reverse course on the runway without first obtaining ATC approval.
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HTH
 
*I can't say anything since I'm just a pilot*
But for anyone other than the OP, if you want to exit at the end for some reason such as shortening your taxi, just ask them.
 
Unless you accept a land and hold short clearance, you pretty much own the runway when you get that clearance to land. Pushing the brakes to the floor to make an early exit out of percieved pressure from tower is a recipe for trouble. Not saying to taxi down to the end of the runway and then pull off, just saying that you should exit at the first taxiway that you can comfortably do so at. If tower has to wave off traffic behind you, so be it. You are PIC, not them. If we are talking emergency fuel traffic inbound, then tower should have already cleared the way for them appropriately.
 
///AMG said:
Unless you accept a land and hold short clearance, you pretty much own the runway when you get that clearance to land. Pushing the brakes to the floor to make an early exit out of percieved pressure from tower is a recipe for trouble. Not saying to taxi down to the end of the runway and then pull off, just saying that you should exit at the first taxiway that you can comfortably do so at. If tower has to wave off traffic behind you, so be it. You are PIC, not them. If we are talking emergency fuel traffic inbound, then tower should have already cleared the way for them appropriately.
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^^^ This. I will use what I feel is a safe exit procedure to clear the runway. If it doesn't fit into ATC master plan, then they screwed the pooch, not me. I am all for trying to help out ATC as much as possible, but will not do so if it compromises my aircraft. Because if it compromises my aircraft, it compromises my safety. I'd rather get a long downwind then have to slam the brakes on, make my pax uncomfortable, and go skidding off the runway. Just my $.02, and it aint' worth much.
 
When you fly out of the busiest general aviation airport in the world please exit ASAP! A piper archer should not take 5000 feet of runway to slow to taxi speed before exiting.
I doesn’t take any kind of super pilot to land on the 1000 footers and get slowed down in a couple of hundred feet later.
 
ftyflyboy said:
When you fly out of the busiest general aviation airport in the world please exit ASAP! A piper archer should not take 5000 feet of runway to slow to taxi speed before exiting.
I doesn’t take any kind of super pilot to land on the 1000 footers and get slowed down in a couple of hundred feet later.
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True, and I'd say that this would apply to any airport, not just the busiest. My only point was that you shouldn't be overly aggressive either, and stomp the brakes at 40 knots just to make that first taxi way. Been there, done that one, and scared myself in the process.....won't repeat. I also don't ever aim for the 1000 footers.....whether I'm flying a light single or a 30-40k lb jet. I'll save those for the heavies, and do my part to expeditiously get onto and off the runway. After re-reading the original post however, I don't think this is what he is asking. If you can take an exit, yes, do it. No need to wait for tower to instruct you....if they had an issue with taxi flow and rolling out to a subsequent taxiway, they would not have delayed letting you know.
 
ftyflyboy said:
When you fly out of the busiest general aviation airport in the world please exit ASAP! A piper archer should not take 5000 feet of runway to slow to taxi speed before exiting.
I doesn’t take any kind of super pilot to land on the 1000 footers and get slowed down in a couple of hundred feet later.
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Right now it's a close tie between DVT and VNY. I know DVT is ahead by a small margin, GOOOOO VNY!
 
mshunter said:
Right now it's a close tie between DVT and VNY. I know DVT is ahead by a small margin, GOOOOO VNY!
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The economy had an impact here. First two used to be VNY and APA, but I think a lot of VNY and APA numbers are based more on on private and corporate flights while DVT is much heavier on training on training flights, expectially these days.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
The economy had an impact here. First two used to be VNY and APA, but I think a lot of VNY and APA numbers are based more on on private and corporate flights while DVT is much heavier on training on training flights, expectially these days.
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Flight Training in Van Nuys is mearly a skeleton of what it used to be.
 
Yes, you "own" the runway when you're on it, but I don't think that means you should linger around because you can. Please be courteous to those behind you and exit as soon as you can. Don't jam on the brakes to do it, but coming to a complete stop waiting for instructions doesn't help the flow of traffic either.
 
Agreed!

I am based in EWR, and at peak times aircraft might be 3 miles apart. It's just plain rude to pass up 2 runway exits because you don't want to use reverse thrust or want to exit closer to your gate.

The "I own the runway" and "screw the guy behind me" mentality is very unprofessional. We need to operate our aircraft to fit into the system, safely and comfortably for the passengers.
 
pscraig said:
The "I own the runway" and "screw the guy behind me" mentality is very unprofessional. We need to operate our aircraft to fit into the system, safely and comfortably for the passengers.
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Fully agree....reasonable man theory should cover this one pretty well. I think the OP was basically just asking if you needed to wait for tower to instruct you to take a taxiway before exiting, and of course the answer is no. My point about "owning the runway" was that you should do what you need to do as PIC to get your aircraft safely on and off the runway, even if it means passing up that first exit that you could maybe make if you really got on the binders. Situationally dependant of course.....
 
I was based in JFK for 4yrs and you learn to get off the runway and clear, or tower will give you the dressing of your life. But if you do what your supose to do and get off normal and safe you won't hear another word from you bother/sister pilot. But the pax in the back will always complain of hard, soft, to fast/slow, reverse or not reverse. But sometimes if you do better than norm JFK tower will say thankyou. I miss those folks in JFK. I know most people at my old company did not like them. But I have to say they were the best in the country, and I thank them for the good and bad.
 
///AMG said:
Unless you accept a land and hold short clearance, you pretty much own the runway when you get that clearance to land. Pushing the brakes to the floor to make an early exit out of percieved pressure from tower is a recipe for trouble. Not saying to taxi down to the end of the runway and then pull off, just saying that you should exit at the first taxiway that you can comfortably do so at.
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BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP. HOLY COW THIS ALL THE WAY.

I had to learn the hard way on this one, and now I always try to teach my students about this now.
 
Here is my take as a Tower Controller. I have had a C172 take all 8,650 ft of my runway, yes, we only have three runway exits, one at 3,000 one at 4,500 and one at the end. Bottom line is, if we need something from the pilot, we ask. Are there pilots out there that will slime a controller because they feel a since of entitlement, yes. But I would say 99% of pilots that I've asked from some type of help have done everything they could for me, regardless if it was enough of not. So, to end my rambling and answer the OP's question, exit when able if no instructions are given, otherwise the controller will say something to you, and unfortunately not all of them will be nice about it.
 
Get the hell off the runway, as quick as you can without being unsafe or flat spotting a tire. The longer I'm on the runway, the longer some Dbag has time to try to land on me.
 
hambone said:
BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP. HOLY COW THIS ALL THE WAY.

I had to learn the hard way on this one, and now I always try to teach my students about this now.
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As did I. It took the sound of a skidding tire to make me realize I don't work for WN.
 
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