SR22 Down

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mshunter

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I have been following this since it happened. Sounds like the guy let his avionics get the better of him. A guy who lives locally and owns a hanger/airplane at the airport siad he heard the airplane circling overhead in the clouds for a few minutes before it "sounds like a spiral/spin and over rev of the prop." Some reports have the airplane listed with two aboard, some with four. Three horses are also dead.

I'm willing to bet he got into the clouds while VFR, and it got the better of him.


http://hometownstation.com/index.ph...010-10-21-12-32&catid=26:local-news&Itemid=97


http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-agua-dulce-crash,0,4402596.story
"An SR22 Lightweight experimental aircraft." Since when is an SR22 experimental? WTG KTAL.:rolleyes:
 
darrenf said:
RIP. :(
Poor horses in 3.2.1.....
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From the witness reports, I don't feel sorry for the pilot. He wasn't on an IFR flight plan, and the weather yesterday deffinatly called for one. It may have been legally VFR, but when there is 1200BKN and 3200OVC, either file or stay home. Play with the snake, and you might get bit. It's guys like this that give GA the black eye it doesn't deserve. Sorry if this post sounds cold, but it is what it is.
 
mshunter said:
From the witness reports, I don't feel sorry for the pilot. He wasn't on an IFR flight plan, and the weather yesterday deffinatly called for one. It may have been legally VFR, but when there is 1200BKN and 3200OVC, either file or stay home. Play with the snake, and you might get bit. It's guys like this that give GA the black eye it doesn't deserve. Sorry if this post sounds cold, but it is what it is.
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Alright, he screwed up....yes, it was probably his fault, but....idk, I know you aren't trying to be cold, and I agree with what you're saying, but a guy still lost his life....
 
I was on the 10 FWY from downtown LA to Ontario at the time of the crash and never saw VFR. It never stopped raining, I couldn't use delay on the wipers most of the trip.
 
RIP. Unfortunately this guy will become just another statistic. I don't see why he wouldn't file IFR if her had a SR22! It's an airplane made for IFR.
 
BeRich said:
Alright, he screwed up....yes, it was probably his fault, but....idk, I know you aren't trying to be cold, and I agree with what you're saying, but a guy still lost his life....
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agreed. Always easy to 'armchair quarterback' these situations. Personally, I think its best not to. We have all at some point found ourselves in a situation that we didn't want to be in, one that we put ourselves into, but fortunately for us still here we managed to live through it so we can learn from it. Some are not so fortunate.

Lets not forget the fundamentals of this situation. Someone's father, son, brother, husband, friend, etc...and fellow pilot, is dead.
 
mshunter said:
I was in it yesterday. There was no ice that we could find. He wasn't high enough either. IIRC, freezing level was at 12k.
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How do you know his altitude?

Sounded to me like he was high. The witnesses said they could hear an over speeding prop coming for several seconds before impact.
 
fholbert said:
How do you know his altitude?

Sounded to me like he was high. The witnesses said they could hear an over speeding prop coming for several seconds before impact.
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I don't need to know his altitude. I flew through there. The first layer stopped at around 6-7k in that area and sloped down to over VNY at about 4k, the next layer was at FL200 to 250 with a ragged bottom. Simple process of elimination. He wasn't in class A, no IFR flight plan, and the first layer wasn't high enough for ice. And in that area around that time frame there was no precip. So, I guess I know because I was there, or about 5 miles west/north west on the Canoga 9 departure from VNY at GMN VOR. There was no ice in that area to speak of.
 
fholbert said:
How do you know his altitude?

Sounded to me like he was high. The witnesses said they could hear an over speeding prop coming for several seconds before impact.
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Freezing level was around 13,000 feet. Probably not ice. Even if it was that high and it had it on it it would have all been gone at a pretty high altitude. He took off from VNY? He only made it 19 miles unlikely he could have made it that high in that amount of distance with out chandelling his way up. Either way bad pilot continuing vfr into ifr conditions. Just like the majority of GA cfit accidents. Follow the rules, they exist for a reason. I do feel bad for the 3 horses though.
 
I dont know about anyone else but to me it seems 7 out of 10 GA accidents seem to involve a Cirrus. RIP :(
 
SeanD said:
I dont know about anyone else but to me it seems 7 out of 10 GA accidents seem to involve a Cirrus. RIP :(
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In the last year there were roughly 1000 incidents in the NTSB database. I saw about 25 that were Cirrus'. My numbers aren't exact, but that is FAR from 70%. In fact, it's far from 7 percent.
 
darrenf said:
In the last year there were roughly 1000 incidents in the NTSB database. I saw about 25 that were Cirrus'. My numbers aren't exact, but that is FAR from 70%. In fact, it's far from 7 percent.
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I think its mostly do to the fact that everyone post Cirrus accidents more then any other type of plane. I just had a friend have a fatal crash in a 210 in Northern ID and a few accidents in Wyoming that never came on JC or any aviation news for that matter, but the first Cirrus crash in Wyoming was posted within a few hours.
 
darrenf said:
In the last year there were roughly 1000 incidents in the NTSB database. I saw about 25 that were Cirrus'. My numbers aren't exact, but that is FAR from 70%. In fact, it's far from 7 percent.
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That many? I was kind of going off what I read here in regards to accidents but now that you bring it up. Thats a lot for a relatively new airplane.
 
Fly_Unity said:
I just had a friend have a fatal crash in a 210 in Northern ID and a few accidents in Wyoming that never came on JC or any aviation news for that matter, but the first Cirrus crash in Wyoming was posted within a few hours.
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I'm sorry to hear that.:(
 
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