C150J
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I know it's a drop in the bucket, but this is news!
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/06/news/companies/american_airlines_pilots/
http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/06/news/companies/american_airlines_pilots/
American Airlines to recall 250 pilots
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Gonzo
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It is a lot more then a drop in the bucket for Eagle guys because most of the 250 are going to be Eagle pilots going to AA.
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It is a lot more then a drop in the bucket for Eagle guys because most of the 250 are going to be Eagle pilots going to AA.
A few caveats to that statement:
First right of recall goes to the AA pilots furloughed in February of 2010. About 80 there, I think.
Thereafter, AA list seniority order, however, both this and the above 80 can be trumped by previous AA recall deferals. That said, AA is expecting (based on previous trends) that about ten percent offered recall that aren't on AMR property will defer/bypass.
I also have it on very good authority that this will begin recalls of 30/mo indefinitely.
In OTHER words... It's gonna be a great 2011 at Eagle!
SeeRad
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AA Hiring Furloughed Pilots and Flight Attendants
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- American Airlines on Wednesday said it is recalling hundreds of furloughed pilots and flight attendants after forming joint businesses with several other airlines.
American Airlines said it is sending recall notices to 250 pilots and 545 flight attendants. This process will work in stages, with 225 flight attendants to be recalled this month, and the first wave of 25 pilots to be recalled in mid-November.
American said the recalls result from a recently-formed joint partnership with British Airways and the Spanish airline Iberia. Also, the airline said it has a pending deal with Japan Airlines.
"My hope is that trends like this will continue," said Gerard Arpey, chief executive of AMR, the holding company for American Airlines.
The company's stock edged up in pre-market trading.
The airline said that several new routes are opening up in April, including a London to San Diego route operated with British Airways and a Madrid to Los Angeles route operated with Iberia.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- American Airlines on Wednesday said it is recalling hundreds of furloughed pilots and flight attendants after forming joint businesses with several other airlines.
American Airlines said it is sending recall notices to 250 pilots and 545 flight attendants. This process will work in stages, with 225 flight attendants to be recalled this month, and the first wave of 25 pilots to be recalled in mid-November.
American said the recalls result from a recently-formed joint partnership with British Airways and the Spanish airline Iberia. Also, the airline said it has a pending deal with Japan Airlines.
"My hope is that trends like this will continue," said Gerard Arpey, chief executive of AMR, the holding company for American Airlines.
The company's stock edged up in pre-market trading.
The airline said that several new routes are opening up in April, including a London to San Diego route operated with British Airways and a Madrid to Los Angeles route operated with Iberia.
But great news!
Maurus
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I also have it on very good authority that this will begin recalls of 30/mo indefinitely.
In OTHER words... It's gonna be a great 2011 at Eagle!
I kinda looked ta Eagle being a rubber band effect. The long upgrades and such are here for now, but it will explode soon enough and there should be a lot of movement. Hence one reason why I want to go to AE. If it turns out to not be the case, it is still a quality airline to work for.
surreal1221
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Wonderful, unexpected, news.
The train is slowly moving.
The train is slowly moving.
Firebird2XC
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That philosophy is more or less what I based my move to Eagle on in industry terms. I had personal reasons as well, but that's neither here nor there. Personally, I expect to see upgrade at around my five year mark, sometime in the next two years. Not too shabby, all things given. Possibly even faster, if things accelerate in the industry. Granted, as always, this is all subject to change.
The bubble in the FO side of the seniority list gave way a bit in the last two upgrade bids- we saw upgrades drop to around 7 years. Personally, I think a certain someone we all know and love (who REALLY likes eggs!) may be seeing upgrade very soon.
Damned straight. This is turning out to be all kinds of rosy.
Further upshot- our top 500-ish Captains have AA seniority numbers with dates senior to most of the remaining furloughees. This equates to possibly 500+ upgrades in the next two years at Eagle. After that, 824 Eagle Captains will be offered preferential hiring on a one-to-one basis at AA when they hire of the street.
Firebird2XC
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EDIT: See corrected above.
In order for the most junior guy right now to upgrade on year 5, Eagle will have to hire about 300 pilots per year for the next 5 years. Even under best case scenarios with majors hiring and assuming Eagle doesn't shrink, I don't see upgrades going less than 7 or 8 years. But I like your optimism!
Firebird2XC
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That's for the most JUNIOR guy. I'm three years down.. I'm somewhere between 500-600 pilots from upgrade. As it stands now. If we have a major exodus of Captains from Eagle, then things might flow rapidly. Keep in mind that 'time to upgrade' is usually based on the DOH of the the most junior Captain. The actual time to upgrade of the most junior FO is usually something else entirely. When I was hired at Eagle, time to upgrade was considered nine to ten years, minimum. For me, it'll likely be around the 5 to 6 year mark, if not sooner.
... and that's if Eagle stays in its present incarnation.
You might note that Eagle is one of the key event presenters on the ACE/NetJC seminar day.
In 2007/2008, we were running classes of 24+ every two weeks. With a little spool up, we have the resources to turn over a massive number of pilots in a fairly short amount of time. We ran short staffed for a while, but eventually things evened out.
Wow. Only 10%?? I highly doubt that number. Previous trends may have been based on the fact that there was hiring with other companies. I would venture to guess that the guys not flying right now or are stuck doing pt91 or charters, or regionals are itching to get back into a AA cockpit. Plus age 65 is coming up. We'll see.
Firebird2XC
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Ten percent was based on the response to the previous recall period in 2007 to 2009. They were getting 1 in 10 accepting recall. Keep in mind these furloughees likely haven't been looking for work in the past year or two- they were furloughed almost ten years ago, just after the TWA acquisition.
In other words, most of these guys are working at JetBlue, AirTran, Southwest, Delta, UPS, FEDEX or wherever else they got a job after AA cut them loose. Some left the industry, I'm sure. Since then, they've acquired seniority, benefits, a comfortable QOL, etc. To accept recall and be the junior guy sitting reserve in the MD-80 out of LGA isn't likely too appealing to these guys.
Some of the more senior guys may defer and accept recall later on, but I'd wager a lot of them are older, have gotten entrenched in whatever job they have now, and likely aren't going to accept recall until it's their last option. I don't think their recall rights ever expire, but over time, a lot of them won't come back en masse. Most will trickle back over time. They're waiting to hold some relative seniority before they come back, if at all.
There maybe a lot of truth to that especially for pilots like the ones at Allegiant. They're not coming back because they have something good there. But I wouldn't underestimate the ones not flying pt121 major, it's most likely more than 200. Most of them are probably in their late 30s and 40s with grown and established families, it won't be too late to switch jobs, especially to work at AA again.
Firebird2XC
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I don't think you understand the pilot demographic at AA very well. Most of them are older than that, and most likely won't switch jobs. Some may be holding out for better seniority after recall. It might not be as low as 10 percent, but I think you underestimate how entrenched the furloughees have become elsewhere.