CFII Practical Flight Test Query

I will be having a CFII flight test (not in the simulator) soon. However, there may be a private pilot student doing his IR test the same day.

Thus, may I know what can I expect from the examiner? :dunno:

I've heard that the examiner is going to make me fly with the student while he sits behind. Is that possible?
 
cadbury said:
I've heard that the examiner is going to make me fly with the student while he sits behind. Is that possible?
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Once a year, each designated examiner must be observed by an FAA Inspector while doing a checkride. On these flights, expect the DE to actually 'go by the book'.

Oh, wait, that's not what you are saying, is it?
Is this a DE watching you 'instruct' a student? Yes, they can do that too.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't think a DPE can do 2 checkrides for 2 applicants in the same flight. I'm pretty sure it can only be one test and one flight at a time
 
nosehair said:
Once a year, each designated examiner must be observed by an FAA Inspector while doing a checkride. On these flights, expect the DE to actually 'go by the book'.
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I see. :)

nosehair said:
Oh, wait, that's not what you are saying, is it?
Is this a DE watching you 'instruct' a student? Yes, they can do that too.
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The DE may be going to sit behind me. He is going to watch m doing instruction.

In this case, is he able to asses me?

Do I still have to do an actual flight with DE (meaning, flying with him)?
 
Mike H said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think a DPE can do 2 checkrides for 2 applicants in the same flight. I'm pretty sure it can only be one test and one flight at a time
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I see.

Hmm...then I have few questions. :confused:

If the DE sits behind us (me with another student), how and what can the DE asses? Does the DE examine me or the student?

If the DE assess me, do I still have to fly with him? :dunno:
 
cadbury said:
I see.

Hmm...then I have few questions. :confused:

If the DE sits behind us (me with another student), how and what can the DE asses? Does the DE examine me or the student?

If the DE assess me, do I still have to fly with him? :dunno:
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There is nothing to prevent it if the DPE allows it. It is done routinely in two-pilot aircraft. The DPE observes the applicant while the other person is there just to fill a position. Same case here with a student. You have to demonstrate the ability to instruct someone.
 
As the OP stated, the "student" is taking his instrument checkride at the same time.

Again, I could be completely wrong, but I don't believe a DPE is allowed to conduct two checkrides on the same flight.
 
Yeah, they would have to be back to back. But I think that is what they are planning. He said the same day.
 
Your questions should be directed to whoever is setting this up - probably your recommending CFI. Any or all of the scenarios mentioned could be happening. No one here can tell you exactly what.
 
The checkride should follow the PTS. I don't think the DPE can do 2 checkrides in the same sitting with the exception of the FAA doing a checkride for a DPE applicant. During your checkride you are required to demonstrate 2 approaches, one precision and one non-precision. You must also do 2 of the following; a Missed approach, a circling approach, landing from straight in approach. You must also do recover from unusual attitudes, and basic instrument maneuvers. The non-precision approach and recovery from unusual attitudes must be done under the hood. It's not a difficult checkride. It sounds like your DPE is really complicating things for you.
 
lhornaday said:
There is nothing to prevent it if the DPE allows it. It is done routinely in two-pilot aircraft. The DPE observes the applicant while the other person is there just to fill a position. Same case here with a student. You have to demonstrate the ability to instruct someone.
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Hello Ihornaday! My question is, do I have to fly with the examiner after I have done flying with the student?

Mike H said:
Again, I could be completely wrong, but I don't believe a DPE is allowed to conduct two checkrides on the same flight.
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Understood. :)

lhornaday said:
Yeah, they would have to be back to back. But I think that is what they are planning. He said the same day.
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Ihornaday is right! I will be taking CFII checkride as well as the private pilot student taking IR test the same day!

nosehair said:
Your questions should be directed to whoever is setting this up - probably your recommending CFI. Any or all of the scenarios mentioned could be happening. No one here can tell you exactly what.
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Hello nosehair! My recommending CFI is a well experienced flight instructor (f.i.).

However, the examiner whom my instructor is using, is an "old-timer" and has never used him to test for CFII and IR. (many years ago, he had used him for other checkrides but not CFII checkride) So, he may not be sure what the examiner wants.

My recommending instructor used to use Snr. Bill Mavencamp (he is the famous legend in U.S. aviation) as the examiner, but he retired a month ago.

Anyway, what I heard from my recommending f.i. that the examiner is going to sit behind me whilst I am flying with another student (who also will be taking the IR checkride on the same day as me). :rolleyes:

juxtapilot said:
You must also do recover from unusual attitudes, and basic instrument maneuvers. The non-precision approach and recovery from unusual attitudes must be done under the hood. It's not a difficult checkride. It sounds like your DPE is really complicating things for you.
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Hello juxtapilot,

Doing instrument approach is not a problem.

However, must I perform unusual attittude despite examiner sitting behind us? :dunno:
 
If you fly under the hood, you must have a safety pilot on the other controls. The safety pilot must possess at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown.

So you may have to fly twice if the other pilot isn't licensed yet.



Never mind - I forgot he has a license already. You should be good with one flight if everything gets done.
 
lhornaday said:
If you fly under the hood, you must have a safety pilot on the other controls. The safety pilot must possess at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown.
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Yup! I am aware.

lhornaday said:
Never mind - I forgot he has a license already. You should be good with one flight if everything gets done.
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Wow...which means I do not have to fly with the examiner. Right? ;)
 
I have cleared my C.F.I.I. flight test! :beer:​

Oral exam lasted for approximate 2hr 30mins, practical flight test 1hr 45mins.​

IACRA application an hour in total. :crazy:​
 
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