C172 Slips?

So, I'm going over the 172G and 172N manuals before I go up in a Cessna for the first time and I'm noticing that they both state that slips should be avoided while flaps are extended? Not that I slip aircraft a whole lot, but I will when I feel it's necessary. I do however, put the aircraft in a slip when I experience crosswinds as we tend to get nasty ones here in the Midwest... Anyways, is this anything I have to watch out for? I assume plenty of you out there have experience doing this.
Thanks!
Edit: Actually in the 172G POH it states that slips are prohibited with flaps extended.
 
So, I'm going over the 172G and 172N manuals before I go up in a Cessna for the first time and I'm noticing that they both state that slips should be avoided while flaps are extended? Not that I slip aircraft a whole lot, but I will when I feel it's necessary. I do however, put the aircraft in a slip when I experience crosswinds as we tend to get nasty ones here in the Midwest... Anyways, is this anything I have to watch out for? I assume plenty of you out there have experience doing this.
Thanks!
Edit: Actually in the 172G POH it states that slips are prohibited with flaps extended.

Slipped with full flaps plenty of times. The airspeed indicator will indicate slow so be aware of that and dont stall it.
 
You are talking about Cessna 48Leemer Dog.
I love that plane.

Anyway, slip it as much as you like.

The reason Cessna put that on the older Cessna 172s is because with 40 degrees of flaps, a big extended slip can blank out the tail.
On newer models the flaps only go to 30 degrees. We only use 30 degrees of flaps in 48L anyway.

I've never had a problem.
 
You are talking about Cessna 48Leemer Dog.
I love that plane.

Anyway, slip it as much as you like.

The reason Cessna put that on the older Cessna 172s is because with 40 degrees of flaps, a big extended slip can blank out the tail.
On newer models the flaps only go to 30 degrees. We only use 30 degrees of flaps in 48L anyway.

I've never had a problem.

Alright, perfect. I got in it with John today and I was surprised to see that wacky instrument setup:insane:
I also got a chance to look at the newer plane you guys got, 2335E I already love that plane. I looked at the other 172's as well, in so much better shape than what I'm used too..
 
I heard once that the reason you should not slip a 172 with full flaps is because the flaps block airflow over the elevator. Don't know the accuracy behind that hearsay, but I have slipped the 172 with full flaps plenty of times with no ill effects. :dunno:


Dang! Douglas beat me to it! Haha. Looks like he confirmed what I had heard.
 
The following paragraph is copied from the book "Cessna, Wings for the World" written by William D. Thompson, an Engineering Test Pilot and later Manager of Flight Test and Aerodynamics at the Cessna Aircraft Co.
With the advent of the large slotted flaps in the C-170, C-180, and C-172 we encountered a nose down pitch in forward slips with the wing flaps deflected. In some cases it was severe enough to lift the pilot against his seat belt if he was slow in checking the motion. For this reason a caution note was placed in most of the owner's manuals under "Landings" reading "Slips should be avoided with flap settings greater than 30° due to a downward pitch encountered under certain combinations of airspeed, side-slip angle, and center of gravity loadings". Since wing-low drift correction in cross-wind landings is normally performed with a minimum flap setting (for better rudder control) this limitation did not apply to that maneuver. The cause of the pitching motion is the transition of a strong wing downwash over the tail in straight flight to a lessened downwash angle over part of the horizontal tail caused by the influence of a relative "upwash increment" from the upturned aileron in slipping flight. Although not stated in the owner's manuals, we privately encouraged flight instructors to explore these effects at high altitude, and to pass on the information to their students.
This phenomenon was elusive and sometimes hard to duplicate, but it was thought that a pilot should be aware of its existence and know how to counter-act it if it occurs close to the ground.
When the larger dorsal fin was adopted in the 1972 C-172L, this side-slip pitch phenomenon was eliminated, but the cautionary placard was retained. In the higher-powered C-172P and C-R172 the placard was applicable to a mild pitch "pumping" motion resulting from flap outboard-end vortex impingement on the horizontal tail at some combinations of side-slip angle, power, and airspeed.
 
Alright, perfect. I got in it with John today and I was surprised to see that wacky instrument setup:insane:

Hahaha, yeah. When I first jumped in 48Leemer, I seriously thought..."What the funky panel."
I have not flown 35En Fuego yet, probably never will since I'm not getting any new students.

I was talking to Joel, sounds like you will be his student. You are in good hands with Joel.
 
When the larger dorsal fin was adopted in the 1972 C-172L, this side-slip pitch phenomenon was eliminated, but the cautionary placard was retained. In the higher-powered C-172P and C-R172 the placard was applicable to a mild pitch "pumping" motion resulting from flap outboard-end vortex impingement on the horizontal tail at some combinations of side-slip angle, power, and airspeed.

Interesting, never had the design change explained to me. It's placarded as "avoid" in the P model and S model, this I know. If memory serves there's nothing in limitations (e.g. "PROHIBITED") about it in those airplanes.

Our P and S models I can slip with 30 flaps all day long and never once have a pitch control problem. I would like to fly an airplane that has the 40 flap position...bet it stops on a dime.
 
I would like to fly an airplane that has the 40 flap position...bet it stops on a dime.

Pretty much!

It'll also help you to tattoo the runway when you are doing night currency landings with a fellow CFI and didn't realize the plane had Flaps40!:rolleyes:
 
This pitching moment is also why it is very hard to spin a 100 series Cessna from a slip. Go out and try it. Climb to altitude, put in a slip and keep the nose up. It just kind of wallows around in an arc pitching down, then back up as the rudder becomes effective again.
 
I've been looking for an airplane I can land in my backyard :laff:

:laff:

Ive slipped 152's with no problem..havent slipped 172's much. Placards typically just say avoid slips.

Avoid them when possible, if absolutely necessary its no problem, just be careful.
 
On my PPL checkride, I had full flaps in(30*) on a 172R and at the last second we had to switch runways. We were way too high and I was going to do a go-around but the DPE said "Let me help" and put it into a crazy slip. We didn't die, I guess its ok if you're careful about it.
 
Coming in for a landing way high then doing a slip with full flaps was actually part of my PPL checkride.
 
I would like to fly an airplane that has the 40 flap position...bet it stops on a dime.
They truly are barn doors. Late in my PPL training, me and my CFI were doing touch and goes and for some reason I forgot to retract 40 degrees of flaps. Believe it or not...........she wouldn't get off the runway.......:eek: Once we retracted those babies, she jumped into the sky.......:cool:
 
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