Logging Pilatus time

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lifter123

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I know this has been covered before, but I couldn't find any that were quite the same situation.

I am a commercial single/multi/instrument and CFI/II/MEI and have been flying some trips in the right seat of a PC-12 with a guy I know. He is not a CFI, however he does have an ATP which gives him privileges to instruct.

Since he is an ATP, I am able to log this right seat time in the total column and dual received?

I am started to lean towards yes, but wanted some other opinions. Also, no high performance or high altitude endorsements.

lifter
 
Nope, or at least not the way its been explained to me, nor the way I read it.

He may only instruct you in the service of the air carrier he is flying for.

(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct--
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the
category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline
transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training
record of the person to whom training has been given;
(2) In flight simulators, and flight training devices representing
the aircraft referenced in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, when
instructing under the provisions of this section and endorse the logbook
or other training record of the person to whom training has been given;
(3) Only as provided in this section, except that an airline
transport pilot who also holds a flight instructor certificate can
exercise the instructor privileges under subpart H of this part for
which he or she is rated; and
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You can log time that YOU are the sole manipulator of the flight controls as long as it is a part 91 flight.

If it was 135, then you need a 135 checkout.

Correct?
 
How long have you been a CFI? No, being an ATP and flying Part 91 does not allow him to provide instruction, but you are allowed to log PIC as sole manipulator when you are flying the airplane.
 
Do you have an endorsement for High Altitude Operations? Complex? High Performance?

If so, you have all the ratings/requirements to be the PIC for the aircraft...so technically you could give him dual in the aircraft.

Just be sure that if you ever log that you gave instruction in it, you'd better learn the aircraft. It could become free game for you to get questioned about in a future interview.
 
SurferLucas said:
Do you have an endorsement for High Altitude Operations? Complex? High Performance?

If so, you have all the ratings/requirements to be the PIC for the aircraft...so technically you could give him dual in the aircraft.

Just be sure that if you ever log that you gave instruction in it, you'd better learn the aircraft. It could become free game for you to get questioned about in a future interview.
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:yeahthat: This.
 
If it were me I'd log just TT in the airplane, but you better know something about the airplane. If I were doing the hiring and saw PC-12 time for a flight instructor I'd be suspicious.

On a side note how are you liking it? Pretty easy eh?
 
casey said:
Nope, or at least not the way its been explained to me, nor the way I read it.

He may only instruct you in the service of the air carrier he is flying for.
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Your quote doesn't say anything about an air carrier. I have always thought that an ATP can give instruction in an aircraft he has a type rating for the purpose of attaining a type rating.

That sounds a little wierd. Try 2.....

Lets say I, being an ATP, have a type rating in an King Air 350. You want to get a type rating for KA350. I can give you instruction in an KA350 for the purpose of attaining your type rating.
 
But a PC-12 doesn't have a type rating, so thats a moot point.

Your two choices are to log PIC as sole manipulator when you are actually flying (assuming you have all the endorsements), or as dual given. In the end its your logbook, but to me it would be a lot easier to explain 100 hours of PIC in a PC-12 than 200 dual given in it, especially if you are a lower time guy that wouldnt normally do high performance turbine instruction.
 
I don't know how many times we have to go over this. Endorsements are needed to ACT as PIC. Only Category/Class for Sole Manipulator.
 
SurferLucas said:
Do you have an endorsement for High Altitude Operations? Complex? High Performance?

If so, you have all the ratings/requirements to be the PIC for the aircraft...so technically you could give him dual in the aircraft.

Just be sure that if you ever log that you gave instruction in it, you'd better learn the aircraft. It could become free game for you to get questioned about in a future interview.
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:yeahthat:
 
Inverted said:
Adler said:
I know a non-issue with this, but how about type rating?
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The PC-12 does not require a type rating.

I wouldn't log it as dual given, but log the PIC and TT why not. You can log and act as PIC in that aircraft.
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...which is why I said I know it's a non-issue with this one.
 
Yeah it doesnt require a type rating. I flew an MU2 with a guy to build my time back before the SFAR came out for it. He was a flight a flight instructor but we split the time anyway. We switched legs and when I was flying I logged it, when he did he logged it. Thats the only way I see you being able to "legally" log it
 
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