Question for aeronautical graduates

Xiph said:
One thing I learned at ERAU is that a lot of people really aren't high on the whole writing thing. Which was pretty depressing (more depressing was the fact that some of the faculty weren't that into it either). Spelling and grammar do matter.

It did, however, lead to some very funny stuff showing up on the bulletin boards from time to time. :)
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That's bizarre. I have a history degree so it goes without saying that my classes required voluminous amounts writing. Yet I still mess up with grammar, but when I do it's very embarrassing. I really don't understand why anyone would knowingly depart from basic English grammatical rules unless they were using a device that required it. For instance texting may be an acceptable deviation. It's especially perplexing when this person is a college graduate. With the exception of math, every class I took in college required some level of writing. Basic paragraph/sentence structures should be second nature at this point.
 
greaper007 said:
That's bizarre. I have a history degree so it goes without saying that my classes required voluminous amounts writing. Yet I still mess up with grammar, but when I do it's very embarrassing. I really don't understand why anyone would knowingly depart from basic English grammatical rules unless they were using a device that required it. For instance texting may be an acceptable deviation. It's especially perplexing when this person is a college graduate. With the exception of math, every class I took in college required some level of writing. Basic paragraph/sentence structures should be second nature at this point.
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I definitely agree. I went to an engineering school, and unfortunately writing sometimes took a back seat to upper level math and engineering courses. I never understood that, because if one is unable to effectively communicate their ideas to other colleagues they've already set themselves up for failure. That being said, we were still expected to have college level grammar... Writing like gymhaus would lead to a nice big "F".
 
:offtopic: Please stop hijacking the thread and talking about grammar, thank you.
I really appreciate all the information you can give me, even if it's a fight between you. This can help me so much, so thanks you guys.
 
Thank you Aviation Inspiration! Guys, this is not the good grammar forum and honestly I could pick apart every one of your post as well, but I really don't think that would help him make a decision on arguably the most important one a person has to make in their life. The fact you guys keep making fun of my grammar and relating it to my school or my degree only makes me want to give up on this discussion. Inspiration, if you have any more questions please PM at any point and I would be more than happy to help you on the topic at hand. Thank you for those that are actually giving valid input to him still. As for the rest of you whom hate my grammar, don't worry, you won't have to suffer me anymore on this discussion at least, so go ahead and resume making fun of it. :deadhorse::tease:
 
MikeD said:
Just wait son, it'll become a job soon enough. Not necessarily a bad thing, just a reality check.
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very true you wise sage....



MikeD said:
You've obviously never experienced low-level. :)
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:D you damn skippy:rawk:

I got an aviation degree (UVU), but I'm too old to have a backup plan...this IS my backup plan!

I ran into quite a number of Riddle grads at SkW, but it was no where close to 50% or even 20%, but a degree was not required to get a job there.
 
gymhaus said:
Thank you Aviation Inspiration! Guys, this is not the good grammar forum and honestly I could pick apart every one of your post as well, but I really don't think that would help him make a decision on arguably the most important one a person has to make in their life. The fact you guys keep making fun of my grammar and relating it to my school or my degree only makes me want to give up on this discussion. Inspiration, if you have any more questions please PM at any point and I would be more than happy to help you on the topic at hand. Thank you for those that are actually giving valid input to him still. As for the rest of you whom hate my grammar, don't worry, you won't have to suffer me anymore on this discussion at least, so go ahead and resume making fun of it.
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Nobody here is trying to tear you apart. You were given reasons why you should drop the "text speak" when communicating here and how doing otherwise could jeopardize future opportunities for you. Your above post is much improved over your previous posts, so obviously you're capable of sounding like an educated adult. Now if you can just quit whining, you'll be well on your way...
 
Ok this is the bottom line. Nothing else but what I am about to say matters. Here it comes...

I do Lazy 8s and Chandelles the exact same way a riddle grad does. I shoot an ILS the exact same way a riddle grad does. Our skills are what is important. Everything else is just justification.

The school I graduated from and now teach with is a small regional state school self described as a "no frills" school. Ok we have one or two frills, but not many. We don't have SR22s, we only have 1 G1000, no King Air, No Phenom, we don't offer a jet transition course in a level D RJ sim, and our instructors and students don't wear white shirts with gold stripes on our shoulders. I would rank the flight training here as just as good as any of the top tier aviation schools...AND just as good as the part 61 mom and pop schools. Our placement is rather good, and we have graduates all over the industry.

I fail to see one would pay so much for a pedigree when a cheaper degree would serve the same function and provide you with just as many opportunities. You say the pedigree gets you the job. No, not being an ass hat gets you the job regardless of where the degree came from.
 
wrxpilot said:
Nobody here is trying to tear you apart. You were given reasons why you should drop the "text speak" when communicating here and how doing otherwise could jeopardize future opportunities for you. Your above post is much improved over your previous posts, so obviously you're capable of sounding like an educated adult. Now if you can just quit whining, you'll be well on your way...
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I don't text type will prevent you from getting a job. It just makes you look stupid, and if you're making an argument about the superiority of your education it's not the best way to show evidence.
 
greaper007 said:
I don't text type will prevent you from getting a job. It just makes you look stupid, and if you're making an argument about the superiority of your education it's not the best way to show evidence.
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Like I said before, when I interviewed for my current job, my employer looked at my old posts to see what kind of person I was. I wasn't the only applicant that they did this with (the job was posted on an aviation forum), and I was told that there were several candidates that had promising resumes but horrible forum personalities. They lost out on a pretty good job due to their poor posting history. It does happen... Probably more often than most realize.
 
poser765 said:
Ok this is the bottom line. Nothing else but what I am about to say matters. Here it comes...

I do Lazy 8s and Chandelles the exact same way a riddle grad does. I shoot an ILS the exact same way a riddle grad does. Our skills are what is important. Everything else is just justification.

The school I graduated from and now teach with is a small regional state school self described as a "no frills" school. Ok we have one or two frills, but not many. We don't have SR22s, we only have 1 G1000, no King Air, No Phenom, we don't offer a jet transition course in a level D RJ sim, and our instructors and students don't wear white shirts with gold stripes on our shoulders. I would rank the flight training here as just as good as any of the top tier aviation schools...AND just as good as the part 61 mom and pop schools. Our placement is rather good, and we have graduates all over the industry.

I fail to see one would pay so much for a pedigree when a cheaper degree would serve the same function and provide you with just as many opportunities. You say the pedigree gets you the job. No, not being an ass hat gets you the job regardless of where the degree came from.
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Very true, what a lot of people don't realize is that at the regional level HR sees piloting as more a trade than a profession. The only way I would EVER advise anyone to spend Embry Riddle's level of tuition is if they were able to get into an Ivy League school. Then your degree might carry some weight. Otherwise I can't describe how much of an incredible waste of money $40,0000 a year is. There are plenty of very good state schools that rank as high or higher than many expensive private colleges in any state. Save yourself the pain of paying back loans for the next 20 years.
 

So, in lieu of all this hot discussion that continues about the importance of grammar on this would be “grammar forum” I have taken the liberty to correct just a few choice errors some of you have made in your text so you may realize that you are human as well. I hope you find my corrections helpful and educational and keep in mind I only had time to go over a few things. Below is a list of spelling and grammatical errors. Since we are on the topic of getting hired as well based on previous forum discussion, I thought it might be important to offer my advice to the group. I believe it is as important, if not more important to have a respectful attitude to people on forums. Being rude, or all and all not classy really makes you seem like the kind of guy who wouldn’t get along with coworkers easily, and let’s be honest, a big part of aviation is how well you can work with others (teamwork).


Gymhaus, I am glad you loved Riddle so much but its not going to give you the hand up on a part 61 guy who has more hours and licenses than you. Get over it. You over paid for your ratings and now will be in debt probably most your life while us part 61s who have no debt will be loving life buying our boats and personal airplanes. But hey, you can always tell people you went to the Harvard of the sky. Congratulations.

Gym, I understand that you're proud of your school and your achievement. Especially considering the background that you came from. My mother grew up low income and was the first woman in her family to receive a college degree so I can appreciate how difficult and rewarding that is. I can also appreciate how difficult it can be to choose a school when you don't have parents with college experience. In that case schools like Riddle can be very seductive. The thing is, I think you're going to realize in a few years that your Riddle degree was as good as any 4-year degree. The only difference was that you spent 5 times as much as the person who went to a cow college. <---- I'm telling you now that those loans are going to cripple you in the years to come, I really don't envy what the next 15-30 years of your life will be like.
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I wasn’t being rude. I tried telling you nicely but it wasn’t getting through to you. Sometimes you just have to give people a harsh taste of reality, even if it hurts their feelings. I hope I opened up your eyes.
I'm glad somebody said it... I'm astonished that this guy is actually a college graduate. No offense Gymhaus, but I'd really, really recommend cleaning up your writing skills. If you're writing that way out of laziness, then get over it. It doesn't make you look "cool" it makes you look lazy, disorganized, and uneducated. If you really don't know any better, take some writing classes at a community college.

A lot of people on this website are in a position to hire or recommend others to be hired. It's really important to have a good reputation, and crappy writing/posting WILL hold you back in that respect. I found my current job through an aviation forum like this one, and one of the first things my employer did was look at my old posts to see what kind of guy I am. I GUARANTEE that if I were writing like you are, I would've been passed up.



I definitely agree. I went to an engineering school, and unfortunately writing sometimes took a back seat to upper level math and engineering courses. I never understood that, because if one is unable to effectively communicate their ideas to other colleagues they've already set themselves up for failure. That being said, we were still expected to have college level grammar... Writing like Gymhaus would lead to a nice big "F".



I don't text type will prevent you from getting a job (this makes no sense). It just makes you look stupid (speaking of looking stupid), and if you're making an argument about the superiority of your education it's not the best way to show evidence (you’re telling me).

Nobody here is trying to tear you apart. You were given reasons why you should drop the "text speak" when communicating here and how doing otherwise could jeopardize future opportunities for you. Your above post is much improved over your previous posts, so obviously you're capable of sounding like an educated adult. Now if you can just quit whining, you'll be well on your way (…)ßthese are ellipses and you use them completely wrong. For example, why are they here? Are you alluding to something in the future to come later or do you just like the look of them? In any case here is something to help you(...)

http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/ellipsis.aspx

Maybe you could take some classes at a community college to learn more about them and your other bad grammar.
 
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Now an even bigger argument is going to start about grammar. Please don't continue this discussion. Post only if you have something to say that has something to do with the questions I asked and if you have any advise you can give.
Thank you.
 
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