First Seminole Flight

[nocturnalaviator]

I just got my box of books...I have been studying the training supplement for the seminole. Do we have to pretty much memorize the supplement from cover to cover? I see that there are questions in the back of the supplement that they want you to know prior to arrival. The checklist flows you speak of, is that found in the POH or are you referring to the emergency check list in the seminole supplement? I just got the box on Friday and call center was already closed, I was supposed to call them as instructed when i receive the box of books....I will be doing that on Monday. I start on September 6, I hope two weeks is enough time to go over the material that want me to go over. In addition to studying the material, im moving out of my apartment and packing...lot's of work involved when you move from state to state. Thank you.

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Airspeeds
Weight limitations
Systems
Flows
Profiles

You want to help your instructor by being comfortably familiar with the seminole supplement. You'll have time to go through the supplement and memorize it cover, to cover, don't worry too much about that now. The flows, call-outs, and even aerodynamics will make more sense and you'll feel more comfortable when you're actually doing it in training. It'll be second nature after a while. Read it for now but be sure to memorize airspeeds, weights, some systems (Go over those most familiar to you from your primary training eg: fuel, electrical, engine, etc.) Let your instructor explain the advanced systems props landing gear etc., but hey the more you prepare the better right? Good luck to ya! PM me if you need further assistance or advice, I instructed for them 3yrs.

 

[mxflyer]

SLOW DOWN, THINK!

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

 

[JLF]

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

'zactly :bandit:

 

[LoadMasterC141]

Get started now in creating a system for learning a new airplane. You will use this system or most likely improve upon it for any airplane you fly in your career. Make flash cards

Airspeeds
Weight limitations
Systems
Flows
Profiles

You want to help your instructor by being comfortably familiar with the seminole supplement. You'll have time to go through the supplement and memorize it cover, to cover, don't worry too much about that now. The flows, call-outs, and even aerodynamics will make more sense and you'll feel more comfortable when you're actually doing it in training. It'll be second nature after a while. Read it for now but be sure to memorize airspeeds, weights, some systems (Go over those most familiar to you from your primary training eg: fuel, electrical, engine, etc.) Let your instructor explain the advanced systems props landing gear etc., but hey the more you prepare the better right? Good luck to ya! PM me if you need further assistance or advice, I instructed for them 3yrs.

I always tell new students that if they have the first 16 pages memorized, which is Systems, Aerodynamics, and V-Speeds, you will be in very good shape. The Seminole supplement is a start. You will get deeper into both Systems and Aerodynamics as time goes on.

If you can get the flows memorized as well, meaning the flight checklists basically (Except the before landing), that would be next.

If you really want to awe your instructor, be able to recite each step of each maneuver - Slow Flight, Power On and Off stalls, Steep Turns, VMC Demo, Emergency Descent, and in flight engine failure (just the immediate action items.), Engine Failure after Takeoff - This one is huge and important that you can say it almost unconsciously.

Sounds like you are taking this very seriously. To be honest with you, that is usually the most important key to success with the program. You will do fine!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

What was yours like? I arrive at ATP in GKY on Sunday and will probably get to jump into the Seminole next week. I'm transitioning from a 172 so I'm sure there will be a difference. Do you cut power 10-20 feet above the runway like in a 172? Is it that much faster? Any advice to make my time easier would be greatly appreciated!

Slowly reduce power to idle rather than chop-and-drop.

READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT. READ YOUR TRAINING SUPPLEMENT.

(get it? don't waste your time doing something you should have done when they sent it to you. )

- Be able to recite from memory the engine-failure checklist, at least up to VERIFY BY CLOSING THROTTLE.

Feathering the prop is a memory item, right? I forget, and I don't have my old checklist in front of me. (Did my COM MEL there)

 

[crfguy51]

Heavy nose even within CG, requires a firm smooth pull to rotate it.

Does your location have the 79' or the 2000 models?

 

[determined2fly]

Heavy nose even within CG, requires a firm smooth pull to rotate it.

Does your location have the 79' or the 2000 models?

my location (PHX) has both...Thanks guys for the helpful insight. Where can the normal and emergency checklists be found? I thought it would have been included in the material bundle from ATP. The only other checklists I see is the one in the seminole supplement and the POH.

 

[vheissu]

Feathering the prop is a memory item, right? I forget, and I don't have my old checklist in front of me. (Did my COM MEL there)

I would sure hope so!

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I would sure hope so!

Common sense, of course, dictates it is. I seem to remember it taught as "one thousand one (pitch - Vyse to stay alive), two (bank), three (rudder)" followed by the "levers forward, gear, flaps, identify verify feather" routine.

 

[nocturnalaviator]

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

Amen!:clap:

 

[nocturnalaviator]

my location (PHX) has both...Thanks guys for the helpful insight. Where can the normal and emergency checklists be found? I thought it would have been included in the material bundle from ATP. The only other checklists I see is the one in the seminole supplement and the POH.

The supplement covers some emergency checklists such as the engine failure in-flight. Log onto www.allatps.com and click on the student resources tab. In there you should find a full PA-44 checklist (oops nvm it's not there anymore!) I'll PM you with one. Also on that page you'll find other sources that will help you out. This website put together by UND is a great visual about the four aerodynamic principles which prove the left engine to be critical. If you also visit my website and click on "training resources" you'll find a study guide I made that will help with your memorization. Be aware, it is half complete and is still a work in progress but a help nonetheless. There are some links and other things I have found useful as well so please feel free to click on my link in my signature to find out. :beer: