Remember the VLJ 'sky-flooding' hysteria of the mid 2000's?

Re: Remember the VLJ 'sky-flooding' hysteria of the mid 2000

That's what we need, a tail dragging VLJ. Maybe strap a small jet to a piper cub.
That would be so manly that Les Abend himself would even be taken back for a second. But just for a second. Then he'd do a negative 4g dive with a Mig in it. Inverted.
 
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I'm sorry. I meant "Paris jets are cool if you are into nosewheel equipped kerosene burners built by frogs".

Yeah, we know a thing or two in terms of nosewheel equipped kerosene burners :

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Concorde would burn 22,000 gallons to cross the atlantic where a 744 would burn 17,800 gallons... Twice the speed but 4x less pax...
 
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I wonder how ground handling was on both of these? No P-factor for sure, but I wonder how effective the rudder was at low speeds. The 262 was awesome looking.

From what I read it seemed a very difficult aircraft to fly, especially the tailwheel version. It didn't have a good turning radius and the germans did not develop the anti G suit. However it had great performance : FL330, M0.70, climb at over 3500ft/min... And it is interesting to note that the F86 wing was closely derived from the ME-262.
 
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In Europe there are lots of VLJs, epsecially the bigger ones made by Cessna and Embraer have sold really well. In my last trip to Europe I saw many VLJs flying around, I think it fits the mission of most peoples over here that use to fly on citation I before. In Russia they have many Eclipse flying..

I think the problem with the VLJs was that most of them came from companies that never made Jets before or were fresh in the industry.

I do like this one a lot http://www.exceljetair.com/ and it may have some future

Yeah man that's the one I was talking about... I think that one, and the HondaJet have the best looks, but I think Honda will have superior build quality and realibility to the others.
 
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I think Cessna, Embraer, and maybe Honda will clean up in the VLJ market because they 1. took things slow and steady and didn't get carried away with the hype and 2. (at least in the case of Cessna and Embraer) they have actually built airplanes before and knew what they were doing. Eclipse was a shining example of all that was wrong in the VLJ movement-unrealistic sales expectations, hurried development, and complete lack of experience in the process of designing, building, and certifying a jet airplane.
 
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My favorite memory of the VLJ crazy days was picking up a charter customer and taking him to APA to pick up his A500. He already had a deposit on the A700.

The captain and I were talking about the Adam aircraft concept and what we would do if only we were the rich guy.

I said I would just buy a high time Cj1.

Well its been a few years but that A500 is still sitting outside with weeds growing all around it and the best part -

they bought a used Cj1...
 
Re: Remember the VLJ 'sky-flooding' hysteria of the mid 2000

Well fly you may not, but hear one roar back to life you will (you'll have to come to Paris for that).
A crew of Air France mechanic led by the former head of Concorde maintenance dept has taken the challenge (on their free time) of restarting F-BVSD that is located at the Bourget Air Museum.
SD was the last Concorde built, and it was flewn to the museum from CDG (only a few miles apart) with a fresh annual and fresh engines. It was carefully stored in a heated building, and when the president of the museum gave the go-ahead, they went for it.
The hyd circuit have always been energized to allow for nose movement.
An engine inspection showed that all the engine stages are in perfect condition, and Rolls Royce, Shell, and Virgin Atlantic (who got two Concorde and all spares from BA) have offered unconditional support, free-of-charge.
In september, dry starts will be attemtped to see how everything behaves after 7 years of inaction.
All the gaskets are being replaced, and it's a huge task.
Concorde is an incredibly complex machine, and to make things harder it is the first fly-by-wire, throttle-by-wire civilian airplane. Yes, digital technology with 70's computer technology.
It has a lot of analog-digital calculators (and the fuel computers are incredibly complex) and those don't necessarily age very well. Fortunately, all the spares that had been thrown out by Air France were carefully recovered by the mechanics at night from the dumpsters :D
Now it will no fly again, but it'll be able to taxi around the airport on its engines and that is huge.
I'm taking part of the project, and if you guys'd like I can keep you up to date on that fantastically challenging and basically awesome project. :rawk:
 
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I'm taking part of the project, and if you guys'd like I can keep you up to date on that fantastically challenging and basically awesome project.:rawk:
Please do keep us updated! I would seriously try and make it down there to hear the roar of the Concorde.
 
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I'd fly a Honda Jet.. Took this at Osh Kosh this year.
 

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