PetrolBurner
Flying inside the TFRs
Not sure why I need to know this, but it's on a gouge sheet for an interview and I can't find the answer anywhere...
Can you fly IFR in class Golf?
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PetrolBurner
Flying inside the TFRs
It's just a non radar environment right?
popaviator
Well-Known Member
Yes you can
Fly_Unity
Well-Known Member
A lot of times it is still a Radar Environment. Typically (here in WY where Golf goes up to 14,500) I get " N1234 upon reaching controlled airspace cleared to K### as filed etc etc"
When enroute and encountering Golf "sometimes" ATC will say that Im out of their control and up to resume my clearance upon reaching controlled airspace". Some controllers wont do anything different for class G then they do E.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
That is a common misconception, or the inverse of that is. There are many places out here in Iowa and Nebraska that you are out of that radar environment even though you are a couple thousand feet in the air and in E Airspace.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Outside the range of radar doesn't mean Class G, you could be IFR in class Golf and not talking to literally anyone.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
No. Radar coverage is radar coverage and airspace is airspace.
No radar means the controllers can't see you. There is plenty of controlled airspace where there is no radar contact. And approaches where you need to do the full approaches because it's below radar contact while still in controlled airspace.
Class G means the airspace is uncontrolled - that ATC doesn't have the responsibility to provide services not the authority to control what you do. The IFR rules in Part 91 are filled with the difference. Look at the difference between rules that say "under IFR" and "in controlled airspace under IFR."
Without even getting into the entire flight in Class G, think about it: You are departing IFR from a non-towered airport where Class E starts at 1000 or 700 AGL. How could you legally get off the ground if you could not fly IFR in Class G?
ntbjounin
Well-Known Member
just to be nit-picky.... the class E either starts at 1200 or 700agl... not 1000.
since we are picking nits...it could start at the surface as well.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Class e could start all the way up at 14500 to or any intermediate altitude.
tjvpa28
Well-Known Member
This is a topic I have had trouble understanding for a while. If you can legally fly in IMC (weather below VFR weather mins for that airspace) in class G airspace without an ATC clearance, then why does class G airspace have VFR weather mins to begin with? Or am I just not understanding it correctly...?
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
You still need an instrument rating to fly in conditions below VFR minimums, no matter what the airspace.
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
I'm considering myself properly picked.:beer:
skatergeek
Beet Farmer
I am on the same page as you.
tjvpa28
Well-Known Member
Just to make sure I understand:
To fly in conditions below VFR minimums in class G, only an instrument rating is needed, but not an ATC clearance because ATC does not control aircraft in class G. An ATC clearance is needed to fly in conditions below VFR minumums only when in controlled airspace. Is that correct?
SIUav8er
Narcosis
correct. Thats why when departing IFR from a class G surface area, your clearance will begin with "Upon entering controlled airspace cleared to..." If youre part 91, you may fly in IMC prior to entering the controlled airspace!