Colgan changing names...
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jynxyjoe
Queso King
Lol. Eh, when pinnacle buys you that's just what happens.
This kind of like going from Valujet to AirTran, same-same?
jynxyjoe
Queso King
IMO yes. However, if they fire off everybody from Colgan, including George Casey, then perhaps they (Colgan) could start anew.
I guess I'll just get used to hearing the standard flight training dept phrase of, "You'll learn that on the line," from Ed Yarig all over again. Of course, hearing his verbal crutch of "All righty?" (also used as a statement of agreement/negative/exclamation/regret/yawn/etc) will make the drinking games that much more fun.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
You forgot "Don't worry about that. That's a CA question." "You'll learn it on the line" is probably the most common answer to questions that were asked in my initial ground school. Nice to see the Pinnacle way made it over to Colgan.
During management's "safety audit" one of the things that came out was trust issues between labor and management. Yeah, I know you're all shocked, right? Management asked what could be done to repair the damage. Realistically? At this point, replace senior management as we don't trust a word that comes out of their mouths. That would also include management at Pinnacle Corp. Anything less than that, and the trust issues will always be there.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Gee I wonder why the name Colgan is "synonymous with the crash of Continental Connection Flight 3407 in Clarence Center". It couldn't be because of stuff like:
"The pilot flew for Colgan, which operated the aircraft which crashed in Buffalo..."
"Pinnacle Corp owns Colgan, which crashed a plane in Buffalo killing 50 people..."
"The incident happened on board a flight operated by Colgan, the same company which had a crash in New York..."
The media really likes to latch on sometimes, don't they? I don't remember ever reading:
"The plane that diverted was being flown by Comair, which had a crash in Lexington where the pilots took off on the wrong runway...".
I guess this is what happens when the first US fatal accident in 2 years happens.
"The pilot flew for Colgan, which operated the aircraft which crashed in Buffalo..."
"Pinnacle Corp owns Colgan, which crashed a plane in Buffalo killing 50 people..."
"The incident happened on board a flight operated by Colgan, the same company which had a crash in New York..."
The media really likes to latch on sometimes, don't they? I don't remember ever reading:
"The plane that diverted was being flown by Comair, which had a crash in Lexington where the pilots took off on the wrong runway...".
I guess this is what happens when the first US fatal accident in 2 years happens.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Every time another pax bill of rights (or whatever) comes out it's, "Caused by Mesaba ground staff leaving an XpressJet plane on the ramp for the overnight."
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
Perhaps it is because of the negative publicity attached to Colgan Air.
It would seem that after 3407, the media coverage, the Congressional pressure, and even the special reports like "Flying Cheap" have had an impact.
Perhaps Colgan is having a hard time putting new business together given the stigma now attached to the name.
.. and don't forget: Colgan pilot arrested with largest stash of child porn EVER.
I'm surprised it's taken this long. It does, however, demonstrate something important: Given enough pressure, a stigma of poor safety can dictate change. This isn't really the change we want, but it's a start.
www.remember3407project.org
It would seem that after 3407, the media coverage, the Congressional pressure, and even the special reports like "Flying Cheap" have had an impact.
Perhaps Colgan is having a hard time putting new business together given the stigma now attached to the name.
.. and don't forget: Colgan pilot arrested with largest stash of child porn EVER.
I'm surprised it's taken this long. It does, however, demonstrate something important: Given enough pressure, a stigma of poor safety can dictate change. This isn't really the change we want, but it's a start.
www.remember3407project.org
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
It's kind of the reason Pinnacle was remaned Pinnacle when it was spun off. Express I 5719 in hibbing was/is still a skeleton in the closet, but over time they only remember the name.
In this case Mesaba is like "Callahan Brake Pads".... All they want is the name.
In this case Mesaba is like "Callahan Brake Pads".... All they want is the name.
Wasn't that crash Airlink/Express II?
jdlilfan
Well-Known Member
kab32283
Well-Known Member
Speaking about that Steve, lets just say that you might be shocked once the proposals to fix those issues come out through our comittee. We've mentioned several "way out in left field" proposals in passing to several higher ups and we were pleasantly shocked to hear their responses. However, I can't mention specifics...just be patient
WalterSobchak
Well-Known Member
Republic merged with Northwest Airlines, and Express I entered into a marketing agreement with Northwest Airlines as Northwest Airlirk. The Meridian Trust Company was listed as the registered owner of N334PX with an exclusive lease to Express II Airlines, Inc.
In 1993 Express I was divided into two companies. The airlines were not mutually exclusive and the pilots could bid back and forth between the two as they were covered by the same ALPA contract. The principle operations base for Express II was in Minneapolis.
Because its late and I'm lazy I'm not going to give you an MLA or APA citation, but this is mostly from the NTSB's final report. Same Express, Same shell game, different decade. It's all about the name!
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Speaking about that Steve, lets just say that you might be shocked once the proposals to fix those issues come out through our comittee. We've mentioned several "way out in left field" proposals in passing to several higher ups and we were pleasantly shocked to hear their responses. However, I can't mention specifics...just be patient
Heh. Not shocked at much that comes out of that committee anymore. I'm flying with a mutual friend that's an FA on your committee. Seems the new guy at Pinnacle Inc is at least open to new ideas.