Who goes first?

Jimmy_Norton said:
The problem is my a/c goes 200 in level flight, which is about 50 knots more than the Cape Air 402's. We could easily pass 3 or 4 airplanes, but god forbid they give Cape Air a speed reduction.
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Welcome to my world. I went into ACK yesterday. We were 250 kts 10 miles out and they spaced us behind an Avanti doing 180ish 22 miles out. He is behind Cape Air, which appears to be hovering, on a 5 mile base going first. Amazing. I passed the field on a 4 mile downwind and could have landed before all of them, instead we got a nice view of CHS before turning final. No offense to the Cape Air guys. Actually, the TWR guys were doing a pretty good job given the traffic volume.

It happens everywhere these days. Too much spacing in VFR, left too high for downwind, HUGE traffic patterns, and poor stacking. If we can circle at mins within 2.3nm, we can surely manage a VFR pattern without a 10 mile wide downwind.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Welcome to my world. I went into ACK yesterday. We were 250 kts 10 miles out and they spaced us behind an Avanti doing 180ish 22 miles out. He is behind Cape Air, which appears to be hovering, on a 5 mile base going first. Amazing. I passed the field on a 4 mile downwind and could have landed before all of them, instead we got a nice view of CHS before turning final. No offense to the Cape Air guys. Actually, the TWR guys were doing a pretty good job given the traffic volume.

It happens everywhere these days. Too much spacing in VFR, left too high for downwind, HUGE traffic patterns, and poor stacking. If we can circle at mins within 2.3nm, we can surely manage a VFR pattern without a 10 mile wide downwind.
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You went from ACK to taking a scenic tour of CHS in 14 miles?
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
The problem is my a/c goes 200 in level flight, which is about 50 knots more than the Cape Air 402's. We could easily pass 3 or 4 airplanes, but god forbid they give Cape Air a speed reduction. Its also very amusing some of the "VFR" flying that happens out there.....oh well.
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NJA_Capt said:
Welcome to my world. I went into ACK yesterday. We were 250 kts 10 miles out and they spaced us behind an Avanti doing 180ish 22 miles out. He is behind Cape Air, which appears to be hovering, on a 5 mile base going first. Amazing. I passed the field on a 4 mile downwind and could have landed before all of them, instead we got a nice view of CHS before turning final. No offense to the Cape Air guys. Actually, the TWR guys were doing a pretty good job given the traffic volume.

It happens everywhere these days. Too much spacing in VFR, left too high for downwind, HUGE traffic patterns, and poor stacking. If we can circle at mins within 2.3nm, we can surely manage a VFR pattern without a 10 mile wide downwind.
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Meanwhile in BOS, we routinely get spaced among the jet arrivals without a problem. We do 170-180 to a 5 mile final, then slow to about 130. Never ever been a problem. But hey, sorry we're in the way...We're flying the plane to its limit to keep everyone happy behind us and still remain stable on the approach.

Actually, if I had a nickel for each time I've run down a jet slowed waaay back on final I wouldn't have to fly a 402 anymore...
 
Bumblebee said:
I think you embellish...
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That's fine if you want to think that, but I have an open seat next to me most days if you guys want to come see our actual (versus assumed) speed down final. Offer's always open. :dunno:
 
dasleben said:
That's fine if you want to think that, but I have an open seat next to me most days if you guys want to come see our actual (versus assumed) speed down final. Offer's always open. :dunno:
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Same thing when I was working for ACE. Lol, we're doing barberpole to the marker, and the jet in front of us slows to 140kts 15 miles out.
 
dasleben said:
That's fine if you want to think that, but I have an open seat next to me most days if you guys want to come see our actual (versus assumed) speed down final. Offer's always open. :dunno:
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i guess that depends on how may nickels it would take to retire!:rolleyes: (and I would love to take a ride sometime...where are you?)
 
you guys are too serious.....let me 'splain.:rotfl:

I don't think he could have actually retired (or purchased his own airplane) on the amount of nickels her would have received, should he have actually received a nickel every time he did the above operation... I'm sure this happens alot LOL
my point was that he was embellishing because he might be able to buy a vacation or a nice evening out.... but not retire:bandit:

OK? we good:beer:
 
Bumblebee said:
i guess that depends on how may nickels it would take to retire!:rolleyes: (and I would love to take a ride sometime...where are you?)
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BWI...about 62 times a week. :)

boondr said:
I've personally witnessed dasleben do it and felt bad because I was the one that told him to keep his speed up. It happens a lot more than you'd think
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The problem is, we get told to speed way up and then have a problem slowing back down. While jets certainly do take a good deal of space to slow, they can pull everything to idle right away and start throwing out drag. Once the motors are in "go fast" mode for us, we have to stage cool the engines again. Gotta be frustrating on your end. Actually had a final controller on 19.7 once give me "max forward" followed by "maintain 90 knots or less" for spacing with the 10 arrivals while I was on the ILS 15L. The response was comical.

Bumblebee said:
you guys are too serious.....let me 'splain.:rotfl:

I don't think he could have actually retired (or purchased his own airplane) on the amount of nickels her would have received, should he have actually received a nickel every time he did the above operation... I'm sure this happens alot LOL
my point was that he was embellishing because he might be able to buy a vacation or a nice evening out.... but not retire:bandit:

OK? we good:beer:
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Alright, alright. We're good. When I wrote the above I'd just finished leg 6 of 8 for the day in an airplane with no A/C. 97F in BWI today, and I was cranky. My bad. :beer:
 
dasleben said:
BWI...about 62 times a week. :)



Alright, alright. We're good. When I wrote the above I'd just finished leg 6 of 8 for the day in an airplane with no A/C. 97F in BWI today, and I was cranky. My bad. :beer:
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You and your compadres earned quite a few nickels today, 889 went around coming back from HGR on the leg he checked in with you on the freq outbound. the controller gave him "best speed" when the southwest in front had 20 knots and min spacing on him. I said said "he's gonna run SWA over". He thought I was joking.


I also saw you get "best speed to the airport" then less than two miles later "slow to your final approach speed" because a SWA decided to park it in the sky inside the FAF.
 
boondr said:
You and your compadres earned quite a few nickels today, 889 went around coming back from HGR on the leg he checked in with you on the freq outbound. the controller gave him "best speed" when the southwest in front had 20 knots and min spacing on him. I said said "he's gonna run SWA over". He thought I was joking.


I also saw you get "best speed to the airport" then less than two miles later "slow to your final approach speed" because a SWA decided to park it in the sky inside the FAF.
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Actually that was pretty damn funny. The aircraft I've been flying lately is a serious pig. Best I can manage at the highest cruise power setting is 160 KIAS in level flight, and maaaaybe 170-175 in the descent. I was really pedaling fast when he asked me to keep the speed up. When he told us to slow 40 knots all of a sudden, we were only doing about 160. How fast was SWA going exactly? :D

Actually...you know what, that happened twice today. Once on the ILS 33R and the other on the 28 circle 33R. Same plane, same speeds though.
 
dasleben said:
Actually that was pretty damn funny. The aircraft I've been flying lately is a serious pig. Best I can manage at the highest cruise power setting is 160 KIAS in level flight, and maaaaybe 170-175 in the descent. I was really pedaling fast when he asked me to keep the speed up. When he told us to slow 40 knots all of a sudden, we were only doing about 160. How fast was SWA going exactly? :D

Actually...you know what, that happened twice today. Once on the ILS 33R and the other on the 28 circle 33R. Same plane, same speeds though.
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I only saw the 33R one

you were showing 170 constant until you slowed. When he gave you "best.." SWA was showing 210 but slowing. By the time he gave you the reduction SWA was showing 130
 
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