Spirit FA's were furloughed today :(

SeanD said:
Im starting to get the feeling that Spirit is purposely trying to go belly up.
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I've been thinking that too! Management is obviously openly hostile. Do they think by doing these things the pilots are just going to come back to work? Spirit pilots will burn that place to the ground, and rightly so. Management has to realize that eventually.
 
Someone else asked me this question, and I honestly had no answer. What's to stop Spirit management from letting the company fold, getting more $$$ and just starting "Spirit of Spirit Airlines" or some other spin off carrier, using the dummy corp to buy the Spirit certificate (and planes maybe) in a bankruptcy auction and starting a new airline with a fraction of the pay rates as before? I couldn't think of a reason (other than ethics which were long tossed out the window) that could stop them.
 
They could; but they'd have to start over. Lot's of FAA regs and of course the pilots would be replacement workers. We have another name for that.

Realistically, do you see Indigo and Oaktree spending all that money for NOTHING in return?
 
lostplanetairman said:
They could; but they'd have to start over. Lot's of FAA regs and of course the pilots would be replacement workers. We have another name for that.

Realistically, do you see Indigo and Oaktree spending all that money for NOTHING in return?
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No, but I've seen corporations poor some money down some deep holes before, so nothing surprises me anymore. I just didn't have an answer for the guy other than "It's wrong and would be expensive."
 
But these are investors, not corporations. They are watching their $100 million cash cow bleed thanks to Ben and Bill's incompetence.

If they had only negotiated there would have been a contract and no strike at all.
 
As a former FA I would gladly be furloughed on your guys behalf. Don't worry about management or the FA's. The rest of the cabin crew is behind you 110% I'm sure. Just hope that you guys would do the same unlike those BA scabs.
 
kellwolf said:
Someone else asked me this question, and I honestly had no answer. What's to stop Spirit management from letting the company fold, getting more $$$ and just starting "Spirit of Spirit Airlines" or some other spin off carrier, using the dummy corp to buy the Spirit certificate (and planes maybe) in a bankruptcy auction and starting a new airline with a fraction of the pay rates as before? I couldn't think of a reason (other than ethics which were long tossed out the window) that could stop them.
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Ain't gonna happen. It's much cheaper to just pay the pilots what they are asking for.

Joe
 
Furloughed FAs is just a scare tactic. They weren't going to be flying anyways. The level of unity here is amazing. Finally a pilot group with a back bone, it almost makes you proud to be a pro pilot again.
 
kellwolf said:
Someone else asked me this question, and I honestly had no answer. What's to stop Spirit management from letting the company fold, getting more $$$ and just starting "Spirit of Spirit Airlines" or some other spin off carrier, using the dummy corp to buy the Spirit certificate (and planes maybe) in a bankruptcy auction and starting a new airline with a fraction of the pay rates as before? I couldn't think of a reason (other than ethics which were long tossed out the window) that could stop them.
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"Distilled Spirit"?
 
It's a real shame....Spirit used to be a decent little company. Back when I was an FA for AA in the late 90's, one of our fellow NYC FA's came from them (a little bit after they first got into the scheduled market) and she had nothing but good things to say about them. It's nothing but a race to the bottom these days...
 
Well of course they were furloughed. You don't keep people on the payroll when you don't have work for them. That makes no business sense
Just as others have argued that this so-called "scab" pilot should have know what was up when he flew that flight, I can ask the same question of the Spirit FA's. "You should have known a strike was coming. Weren't they paying attention?

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dasleben said:
Spirit pilots will burn that place to the ground, and rightly so.
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Really? And by what "right" would they have "burned the place to the ground?" They're hired employees. They have a job because some entrepeneurs and investors took some of their own hard-earned money and risked it to finance the venture known as Spirit Airlines. If the company had folded, these people would have been out that money. End of story. Bye Bye. See you later. Meanwhile, the employees would have simply collected their last paycheck and moved on on to something else, while collecting a government check, which by the way, was partially funded by Spirit Airlines.

And you think the Spirit employees have been wronged?
 
O&M said:
Well of course they were furloughed. You don't keep people on the payroll when you don't have work for them. That makes no business sense
Just as others have argued that this so-called "scab" pilot should have know what was up when he flew that flight, I can ask the same question of the Spirit FA's. "You should have known a strike was coming. Weren't they paying attention?

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Really? And by what "right" would they have "burned the place to the ground?" They're hired employees. They have a job because some entrepeneurs and investors took some of their own hard-earned money and risked it to finance the venture known as Spirit Airlines. If the company had folded, these people would have been out that money. End of story. Bye Bye. See you later. Meanwhile, the employees would have simply collected their last paycheck and moved on on to something else, while collecting a government check, which by the way, was partially funded by Spirit Airlines.

And you think the Spirit employees have been wronged?
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The Railway Labor Act.

Look it up sometime.
 
I'm well aware that you are granted that right under the RLA. But you only have that right because some politicians who wanted to be re-elected bestowed it upon you. Forget the RLA for minute. I am asking what moral authority gives you the right to destroy someone else's hard-won creation?

Allow me to draw an analogy. Your neighbor pays your child to mow their lawn. After a while the child wants to be paid more to do it, but the neighbor doesn't wish to pay more. Should your child take a hammer to the lawnmower, or just find another neighbor who will pay more?
 
O&M said:
I'm well aware that you are granted that right under the RLA. But you only have that right because some politicians who wanted to be re-elected bestowed it upon you. Forget the RLA for minute. I am asking what moral authority gives you the right to destroy someone else's hard-won creation?

Allow me to draw an analogy. Your neighbor pays your child to mow their lawn. After a while the child wants to be paid more to do it, but the neighbor doesn't wish to pay more. Should your child take a hammer to the lawnmower, or just find another neighbor who will pay more?
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O&M said:
Allow me to draw an analogy. Your neighbor pays your child to mow their lawn. After a while the child wants to be paid more to do it, but the neighbor doesn't wish to pay more. Should your child take a hammer to the lawnmower, or just find another neighbor who will pay more?
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To be fair, this analogy doesn't work with the airlines. Finding another airline that pays more may be easy in the case of Spirit before the strike, but if you are a captain at said airline, you would be paid much less when finding that "other neighbor" as you would be a first year FO all over again at the bottom of the seniority list. When you pick a major airline to work with, it is typically your career airline and you have to make the best of it while you are there.
 
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