Salon Mag: Are Pilots Haughty?

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Who are you calling "haughty"?
Yes, for better or worse, I read my letters. It's often helpful, but I can't help wondering: Why the hostility?
BY PATRICK SMITH


I should have listened to Berke Breathed. The cartoonist, whose work ran here on Salon for a while, once counseled that I should, at all costs, avoid reading the letters forum at the end of my columns. "You don’t actually read the feedback section, do you?" he asked me. "You should never do that."

He had a point. Indulging your detractors can be dangerous. Not only is it extraordinarily bad for the blood pressure, it can undermine your principles and trick you into trying to make every reader happy -- which is both impossible and, probably, undesirable.

But I can't help it. I habitually surf through the comments. In some ways it's helpful. If something really sticks in my craw, or cries out for a clarification, I can post a response. What I detest, though, is the forum's anonymity, as well as Salon's decision to close the threads 48 hours or so after publication. This can make ungrounded accusations and drive-by insults impossible to counter. If it were up to me, every letter-writer would be required to include a verified e-mail address along with his or comments.

The latest batch of letters, in response to my June 18 story on the improbability of a nonpilot being able to land a jetliner, were strangely hostile, I thought.

Most mystifying of the lot were the comments of "John Anderson," whose demented misinterpretation of my analysis led him to accuse me of advocating that, following a (hypothetical) total incapacitation of the crew, a plane be allowed to crash rather than taking the chance on a Hail Mary talk-down from air traffic control. "Remind me never to get in a plane you're flying," was his closing remark.

John, what in the world are you talking about? Nowhere in my article did I recommend not using whatever resources might be available to save the day, including the limited cockpit experience of a flight attendant, if need be.

In addition, I was offended, not to mention baffled, by accusations of being "arrogant" and "haughty" in my insistence that flying a jetliner is a lot more difficult than prevailing wisdom, baited by the media, commonly makes it out to be. Let me turn this around: I suspect there are many of you out there whose lives are heavily invested in a profession that is near and dear to your heart, as flying planes is to mine. Now imagine the media actively and consistently parroting some critical contention about your profession that is not only false, but personally insulting -- and encouraging millions of people to believe it. I would expect and hope that you'd defend yourself.

"Pilots are expendable. Planes can fly themselves." I hear versions of this nonsense all the time. It is patently untrue, and it slanders and demeans a line of work that many of us have devoted our lives to. In response, I do what I can to educate the public in a way that I hope is honest, interesting and entertaining. And for that I'm called "arrogant" and "haughty."

This was taken to an extreme by somebody using the tag politicalrealist2. "Unfortunately, like many airline pilots, you feel the need to perpetuate the myth that airline pilots are gods," he begins. "Patrick, you do not do yourself or others a favor by this stance that airline pilots are super human or god like."

That is not even a remotely accurate assessment of my "stance." For the past eight years I have worked very hard to demystify and to humanize exactly what it is that airline pilots do for a living. To argue that flying planes is difficult, or requires a level of expertise that is beyond the layperson's grasp, is not mutually exclusive of pilots as normal, humble human beings.

Politicalrealist2 also describes how, as a 500-hour private pilot, he was able to land a jetliner simulator under the tutelage of an airline instructor pilot. He says that he found it "easier than landing a light aircraft."

Regardless of whether a 767 is easier to land than a four-seat Cessna (I have flown both, and trust me, it's not), this isn't the scenario I was working with in the column.

Perpetuating the myth that airline pilots are gods. I read that and just stared at the screen with my head spinning. Sometimes you just can't win.

For good measure, I was also called out for allegedly insulting Patti DeLuna, the 61-year-old American Airlines flight attendant who was called to the cockpit of a 767 last Monday to assist the captain after the first officer fell ill. I called her a "would-be pilot." That didn't sit well with everybody, seeing how DeLuna has an FAA pilot's license and about 300 hours of experience in light aircraft. My reasoning was simple: She has not flown in decades -- we're talking the 1970s here -- and she never piloted anything bigger than a private plane. I'm sorry, but in the context of the incident, yes, she was a would-be pilot. I'm comfortable with that.

And somewhere in there, talking about cockpit automation, I made the grave error of invoking a comparison between aviation and medicine. Out in the field, automation helps a pilot in the same way that it helps a surgeon. It makes flying easier, but it does not make it easy. The technology is advanced and expensive and ultimately engineered to keep your customers safe and alive. But to understand how this equipment works, and to use it properly ... well, you still need to be a doctor, or a pilot, first. You might hear a surgeon make a comment about the "simplicity" of a certain procedure or operation, just as a pilot will sometimes speak of an airplane that is "simple to fly." That in no way implies that the layperson could give it a go and be successful, and it does nothing to diminish the knowledge and experience required to perform at that level in the first place.

Bad idea, that comparison was. I didn't realize that so many of you consider doctors to be almost as pompous and insufferably haughty as we pilots.

And so on and so forth. Yeah, I'm a little wound up today.

But on the other hand, not all of the criticism thrown my way last week was unreasonable ...

"Luckily there has never been a case where the entire crew became incapacitated -- except in the movie 'Airport '75,'" I wrote as part of that same discussion about the probability of a nonpilot landing a plane. Well, several of you wrote to me directly, complaining that I had ignored or forgotten the case of Helios Airways Flight 522.

Actually, I am well aware of the Helios incident, and wrote about it previously in this column. I chose to leave it out because it didn't seem to fit.

The bizarre disaster took place over Greece back in 2005. An improperly handled pressurization failure quickly killed everybody on the airplane with the exception of a lone flight attendant -- a young guy who had a few hours of light plane flying to his credit. He made his way to the cockpit, as seen by the pilots of fighter jets that had scrambled alongside, presumably to try his luck at getting the thing onto the ground. Sadly, he was unable even to establish communications let alone begin the process of being talked down. Shortly thereafter the jet's fuel supply ran out. The engines failed and the 737 crashed.

Once that first engine quit, he had no chance. In a way this poor guy seems to have proved the very point I was trying to make. But we can't say for certain what happened, and the fuel depletion throws a wrench into the whole scenario. Had there been more time, and more fuel, could he have figured it out? I doubt it, but we'll never know for sure.

A few of you, meanwhile, might remember the film "Airport 1975." A 747 is struck near the flight deck in midair by a small propeller plane, and all three pilots are taken out (older 747s carried a third hand, the flight engineer). I almost hate to say it, but dangling Charlton Heston from a helicopter and dropping him through the hole in the fuselage wasn't as far-fetched a solution as it might sound. It was about the only way that jumbo jet was getting onto the ground in fewer than a billion pieces.

The scene where Karen Black, playing a flight attendant, coaxes the crippled jumbo over a mountain range was, if not entirely accurate from a technical standpoint, very realistic in demonstrating the difficulty any civilian would have of pulling off even the simplest maneuver.

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I told a newly licensed kid once that it was an "unwritten" obligation to introduce himself to cockpit crews when he flew commercial, announce that he was a private pilot and flew Tomahawks, and was sitting in seat XB in case they needed any help. He actually took me seriously and did this. :rotfl:
 
I told a newly licensed kid once that it was an "unwritten" obligation to introduce himself to cockpit crews when he flew commercial, announce that he was a private pilot and flew Tomahawks, and was sitting in seat XB in case they needed any help. He actually took me seriously and did this. :rotfl:
Well...If you can take a Tomahawk out of a spin and live to tell about it, you should be able to do the same for a 737, right??:rolleyes:
 
Well...If you can take a Tomahawk out of a spin and live to tell about it, you should be able to do the same for a 737, right??:rolleyes:

Tomahawks spin really well. They are not vicious, they just spin. The first time you stall and look at the tail you want to make poop, but other than that it is a fine machine. Prefer it to a 150 in fact (if you are in the market for gay airplanes with nosewheels).
 
Tomahawks spin really well. They are not vicious, they just spin. The first time you stall and look at the tail you want to make poop, but other than that it is a fine machine. Prefer it to a 150 in fact (if you are in the market for gay airplanes with nosewheels).
I haven't flown one yet, so I shouldn't be opening my mouth anyway:D. Next week I'm going to do some spin awareness training in a decathlon, that should be fun.
 
Didnt Mythbusters have a show where they talked a non-pilot through an autoland on an Airbus sim? Its interesting, referencing the Single Pilot Airliner thread, but I think non-pilots would be in much bigger trouble in the C-402 than in an A320.
 
You arrogant son of a bitches thinking I can't land a 747. I play flight sim all the time!

This is so classic. The arm chair expert, he's everywhere these days.
 
Thanks for posting this, Doug. Nothing incenses me more than those "on the outside looking in" taking potshots at others' professions. From construction to brain surgery, every field of work has its challenges and demands meticulous attention to detail. I also hate it when those in our own ranks make "flying is so easy" statements, as they've completely failed to recall all the effort it takes to get to their current seat. They have obviously never been in a training department trying to teach someone a new airplane, or are just clueless (as some incident reports I read sometimes suggest!).


With my luck, I think a more realistic scenario for non-pilots would be diverting due to a contaminated runway, only to run low on fuel and have to shoot an approach below mins to ANOTHER contaminated runway.

J.
 
Thanks for posting this, Doug. Nothing incenses me more than those "on the outside looking in" taking potshots at others' professions. From construction to brain surgery, every field of work has its challenges and demands meticulous attention to detail. I also hate it when those in our own ranks make "flying is so easy" statements, as they've completely failed to recall all the effort it takes to get to their current seat. They have obviously never been in a training department trying to teach someone a new airplane, or are just clueless (as some incident reports I read sometimes suggest!).


With my luck, I think a more realistic scenario for non-pilots would be diverting due to a contaminated runway, only to run low on fuel and have to shoot an approach below mins to ANOTHER contaminated runway.

J.

I think they should put them in the sim, then make them shoot an approach to mins with an engine out. Money says when the engine fails, the plane crashes, never mind the approach. That is sim training.
 
Well, if you think about it, everything's easy...if you've got the talent and training.

Stephen Strasburg makes throwing a hard piece of rubber and leather at 100 mph look easy. Lindsey Vonn makes ripping down a mountain at warp speed on skis look easy.

The average doofus who thinks flying is easy is in exactly the same boat as someone who says of Strasburg "he's just throwing a ball" or of Vonn "she's just skiing."

It takes real talent and a lot of hard work to make something that's difficult look easy. The people who don't realize that are the stupidest mofos in the world. You could use a baseball bat to crack their heads open and you'd never notice the difference because their brains aren't being used.
 
"Haughty"---now that's a word you don't hear very often! ;)

Am I the only one who'll admit to mistakenly reading "Are Pilots Naughty?" :o
 
Tomahawks spin really well. They are not vicious, they just spin. The first time you stall and look at the tail you want to make poop, but other than that it is a fine machine. Prefer it to a 150 in fact (if you are in the market for gay airplanes with nosewheels).

The Tomahawk's biggest sin is that it didn't fly like a 150/152. Once word got out that it was "weird", that was the end of it, no matter what they did to the airframe.

It was the same thing that sunk the 177.

Richman
 
The Tomahawk's biggest sin is that it didn't fly like a 150/152. Once word got out that it was "weird", that was the end of it, no matter what they did to the airframe.

It was the same thing that sunk the 177.

Richman

Well, my understanding is that the Traumahawk didn't have enough ribs in the wing to start with. Get in a spin, wing warps, and suddenly it's unrecoverable. This was of course fixed, but the reputation sticks to what is now a perfectly good airplane. I did most of my private X-Cs in one and it beats the pants off a 152 for that purpose.

Similar story for the 177...the straight 177 is seriously underpowered and the Learjet wing didn't do it any favors. Of course the 177B (and to some extent the A) fixed these problems and it's a fantastic machine...a full class above the 172s that still sell for more. Again, once the smell is on, it's hard to get off.
 
I love Patrick Smith's columns. Great writer.

After doing my tour of writing for Wired for a month, I can attest to what he's saying about reading your comments. The anonymity of online commenting is worse than that of being behind the wheel of a car. I was fortunate enough to have a small handful of detractors -- turns out there aren't as many armchair quarterbacks for sleeping in airports as there are for flying jetliners. Maybe as the job becomes more technical, there are more of them, I dunno. But one of the first things you learn is to differentiate between those who have honest criticism that is worth responding to and those who are just trolls... most are the latter. That, or just don't bother reading the comments at all.

As far as pilots being haughty or pompous, I've been in a pretty good position the last few months to find out, working airport ops for JetBlue at SEA while waiting on the FAA to get it's budget together when it comes to training us would-be controllers. It's really about the same as every other job I've ever had -- most people are just fine, with the occasional tool who would be that way regardless of what field they're in. The cocky guy with four stripes would be that way with three, or an FA's uniform, or earmuffs while tossing bags, or pushing the broom around an empty terminal at night. "FU, I left seat in heavy tin" would be "FU, I sweep with the Astrobroom 9000" in a different life for that guy. A jerk's a jerk, no matter what their occupation.

Tomahawks spin really well. They are not vicious, they just spin. The first time you stall and look at the tail you want to make poop, but other than that it is a fine machine.

Ugh. My CFI did that to me on my first time up. "Hey, watch this!" I got about three steps out of the plane before collapsing on the ramp and dry heaving. Come to think of it, I think it's documented on an old post here... hmm...
 
I think the general public is too doofus to realize that pilots have a certain skillset that was developed with training, experience and well, circumstance that they cannot understand.

Not that we're going neurosurgery, but it's not like I'm about to tell a doctor that all he's got to do is crack the skull, pull out the cancerous polyp, tell the nurses to "close 'em up" and cash a fat check.

But there are large swaths of the flying public that think, theoretically of course, that we're dropped off by a limo, straight to the airplane, press the "Atlanta Button - GO!" button and bitch about the tannins in the espresso as the plane lands itself and taxis to the gate.

Could you imagine the reaction that if I went to a frequent flier website and said, "Yeah, on the jet, I am more important than you because if I trip and fall on the way back to the bathroom and the captain has a heart attack laughing at me, you're all going to die! :) Even that skilled private pilot in 32C probably can't bring a A320 from cruise flight to approach, configure it for landing and having more than say a 20% of not spreading aluminum, Jet-A, composite material and bloody pulp over a three county area."

People can't handle that! :)
 
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