UAL and CAL regionals?

Domestic code share with Frontier with the DEN base closure. Just kidding but who really has any idea what will happen. It will have alot to do with the amalgamation of the contracts once the SLI is complete. It isn't good for the regionals which is probably a good thing for the industry.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Whose scope language would prevail? Keeping in mind that the 86 seat monster CRJ-900 Mesa flew was for America West, and thats how it became US Air scope. If the scope stays the same (CAL same) I could see XJT picking up more flying, but if it doesn't then I could see XJT lose much of it's current flying, unless it could open up a 70 seat program quickly.
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That's what I was wondering. If CAL's scope clause holds up....well, there's gonna be a lot of CRJ-700s parked. Personally, that's what I'd like to see happen, not because I want to see guys on the street, but because I'd rather see 737-500s on those routes than -700s. Based on past experience, I'd wager CAL pilots giving in on scope in exchange for favorable SLI language.
 
Clocks said:
Management will find the right price.
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Indeed they will. I'm guessing retirement will be the first carrot held in front of them.

When the UAL + CAL merger goes through, I'll damned near guarantee that XJT is the first to market flying EMB-195's as domestic lift, either under the traditional regional rig, or a "codeshare" for the new company. My bet is that this happens within 5 years of the merger being completed.

I'll also bet JetBlue pay rates plus 1% for the equipment.
 
Look for shrinking regional capacity. If there's anything that these pilots will be looking for is limiting scope to mainline, especially United. Whether both pilot groups will be able to be bought, remains to be seen.
 
Good luck. The best thing the United pilot group could do at this point would be to rig up a Jets For Jobs program with one of the regional companies, putting furloughed mainline pilots in the cockpits of EMB-195's being operated at the regional level. This has already been done at Beagle in the past, and it's obvious that it works while keeping the interest of everybody involved tended to.
 
jtrain609 said:
Good luck. The best thing the United pilot group could do at this point would be to rig up a Jets For Jobs program with one of the regional companies, putting furloughed mainline pilots in the cockpits of EMB-195's being operated at the regional level. This has already been done at Beagle in the past, and it's obvious that it works while keeping the interest of everybody involved tended to.
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It's more than wishful thinking, major pilots have learned their lessons in allowing RJs to takeover there is a growing movement to take back mainline flying. Even the senior guys understand now the issue of scope. Something will definitively happen as UA councils have already voted on renegotiating the current RJ agreement as part of any further negotiations under section 6. It's pretty tough too, like no more 70 seat aircraft between hubs and certain population sizes and to limit RJ segments to a certain amount of miles, and to recall all other RJ flying that doesn't satisfy the requirements to mainline. I have a feeling we'll be seeing EMB 195s at mainline, even EMB175s, instead of at the regional level. After all, that is where they belong.
 
Again, I think it's wishful thinking.

What are the pilot groups going to have to give up in order to get that scope language? I'm guessing retirement and pay rates.
 
jtrain609 said:
Again, I think it's wishful thinking.

What are the pilot groups going to have to give up in order to get that scope language? I'm guessing retirement and pay rates.
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What is the point of it all, if you have no scope? All the Express flying United has, the Aerlingus deal with possible "code shares" in the future etc. I'm sure scope will have a lot more priority this time, as it will for other mainline pilots.
 
The point is that mainline will, within 15 years, be little more than a franchise. It's a model that has worked well in fast food, and it will likely work well for the airlines.

We would do well to get ahead of that model instead of being stuck in the past.
 
United has 1500 pilots on furlough and CAL has 150, does this mean hiring will for into hibernation for many more years to come or can CAL be the company on top to make those decisions?
 
nypilot88 said:
United has 1500 pilots on furlough and CAL has 150, does this mean hiring will for into hibernation for many more years to come or can CAL be the company on top to make those decisions?
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Unless something major happens, that would be my guess. Honestly, though, if United started hiring tomorrow, I'd stay at Pinnacle. Same with US Airways.
 
I seriously doubt scope goes back to 50 seats for a combined UA/CO. If anything I think the current amount of 70 seaters would be grandfathered in.
 
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