Was I wrong?

OK, I see a couple hints at flying a tailwheel in this thread, so...

A 152 is a trainer. Many lessons can be learned from this experience.

#1 is the PIC experience to abort the take-off because of an unusual condition - that's #1, but is true for all flights and all airplanes. What the OP did is right, and it is right to "fix the shimmy".

However, the 152 is a trainer. Flight training is different than normal operations.

We train to the worst scenario. Or to the most efficient way - which becomes the safest way.

That's a broad-brush statement, so let me be specific to the "nose-wheel shimmy" problem.

This is problematic with trainers, because student pilots allow the nose-wheel to land too soon after the mains. I've seen rated pilots who try to put all three on at the same time.

The nose-wheel isn't built for that. It is not a landing gear, it is a taxi gear.

After landing on the mains, in the near-stall attitude, the nose-wheel is held off until losing speed and lift enough to lower and land the nose-whel as you approach fast taxi speeds.

I teach landing a nose-wheel the same as a tail-wheel. If the 152 had a tailwheel, the touch-down attitude would be almost the same.

This is the safest slowest way to land any airplane, and is how training should occur.

Maybe you don't like the nose-high attitude, or the stall warning going off, or all those things pilots say about scaring pax, and I can agree on some of those things, but that is normal ops.

Training is about normal operations, but it is also about abnormal and emergency operations.

What if your student is on a x/c and the nose-wheel starts to shimmy?

Anyway, in training, we should always be applying some back pressure on the elevator. That is normal. The nose-wheel is not designed to roll at lift-off speeds.

I'm not saying to lift it all the way off (unless you're doing a soft field) but you should hold a little of the airplane weight off the nose-wheel as you accelerate enough to feel the back pressure. that's a normal take-off procedure, and any shimmy will be felt, but you will be able to increase a little more back-pressure, and continue the flight.

This is one of those mechanical things that we must learn to deal with.

In training.

Normal operations is different. Like renting a car. Or owning your own. With no pressures.

If you're renting and on a lazy afternoon pleasure flight, you might want to abort the take-off and take the time to address the mechanical problem.

If you're away from home, on a dark night, the FBO is closed, and your cell phone battery is dead, and you start feeling a shimmy on take-off, ...wha'cha gonna do?

The 152 is a Trainer.

Learn from the training experience.
 
Hardly. I don't have a history of shooting from the hip here. You do.

True, but I'm trying to earn my "custom title". :D



What context are you meaning "makes no difference"?

I mean it in the context that he should have as much care and pride in fixing something minor as he does in fixing something major. He gets paid the same hourly rate for fixing a shimmy damper as he does for repairing an engine.

Only if that's what you're referring to, however your post didn't make it clear of this meaning, and came off as flippant.

If my saying "Can't drop everything and fix the SD right away? Tell the owner it'll be a while." twice doesn't make it clear that priorities exist, I don't think saying it a 3rd time is going to help.
 
True, but I'm trying to earn my "custom title". :D

I mean it in the context that he should have as much care and pride in fixing something minor as he does in fixing something major. He gets paid the same hourly rate for fixing a shimmy damper as he does for repairing an engine.

If my saying "Can't drop everything and fix the SD right away? Tell the owner it'll be a while." twice doesn't make it clear that priorities exist, I don't think saying it a 3rd time is going to help.

Ok, with the clarification now, I can see your point. Agree.
 
Normal operations is different. Like renting a car. Or owning your own. With no pressures..

"Some people say a front-engine car handles best. Other people say a rear-engine car handles best.
I say a rented car handles best!"

-P.J. O'Rourke
 
Is this really an issue? No one will say a shimmy is worth turning down a plane for. It seems the only issue is that the OP didnt know what was going on. I'm not slamming the OP for returning the plane. If he wasnt comfortable flying it, then he shouldn't fly it. But, what if i wasnt comfortable flying a plane with an altimeter that was 100ft off in VFR conditions? It seems like a non issue to me.

A non issue to you, but to someone with less experience it is an issue, hence the thread. Not everybody can be as awesome as you.
 
A non issue to you, but to someone with less experience it is an issue, hence the thread. Not everybody can be as awesome as you.
It isn't about being awesome. Sure, a shimmy on a typical single trainer isn't going to ruin your day...but a shimmy on some aircraft can.

1) Good job on the OP for aborting the takeoff. As long as you abort before V1, maintain directional control and stop before the end of the runway...it's a good decision to abort.

Unless Wolfman is chasing you, I guess. :dunno:

B) Good job for getting a new plane. You shouldn't be in a plane you aren't sure of. Good things just don't happen.

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It isn't about being awesome. Sure, a shimmy on a typical single trainer isn't going to ruin your day...but a shimmy on some aircraft can.

1) Good job on the OP for aborting the takeoff. As long as you abort before V1, maintain directional control and stop before the end of the runway...it's a good decision to abort.

Unless Wolfman is chasing you, I guess. :dunno:

B) Good job for getting a new plane. You shouldn't be in a plane you aren't sure of. Good things just don't happen.

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Exactly my point. Saying "Its a non event for me" doesn't do anything except toot your own horn. We're talking about the OP, and what most consider to be the correct decision for him with all things considered.
 
Exactly my point. Saying "Its a non event for me" doesn't do anything except toot your own horn. We're talking about the OP, and what most consider to be the correct decision for him with all things considered.
Which still has nothing to do with being awesome.

I think you were fine up until that comment though. :beer:

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Thanks, but I'm married ;) :beer:

You want your driver?

No thanks kid, he's not my type!


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Never ever take an airplane you're not sure about. Do not ever let maintenance pressure you. Do not ever let a renter pressure you. They're driving factor is money and yours is survival. If they are not keen enough businessmen to understand that they rent their aircraft to low time folks that haven't had experience with minor discrepancies, then that's on them. You did the right thing.

But, what if i wasnt comfortable flying a plane with an altimeter that was 100ft off in VFR conditions? It seems like a non issue to me.

1) You are creating a traffic hazard to other aircraft and a ground hazard for yourself if you actually believe this.
2) You can and will be violated for this.
 
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