Make More Money Driving Boxes Than Flying Boxes

ClearedToThe

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Saw this article quoting the average salary for a UPS driver was $74,000. The article also hints at the dangers of being a delivery guy. For example, slipping on ice. I guess that is more dangerous than flying in ice, hence the higher average salary of a box driver than a 135 guy flying freight. :rolleyes:


http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/109258/usps-thinks-out-of-the-box?mod=career-leadership

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Vexed that some 30% of driver candidates flunk its traditional training, United Parcel Service Inc. (UPS) is moving beyond the classroom to ready its rookies for the road.
In the place of books and lectures are videogames, a contraption that simulates walking on ice and an obstacle course around an artificial village.

Based on results so far, the world's largest package-delivery company is convinced that 20-somethings -- the bulk of UPS driver recruits -- respond best to high-tech instruction and a chance to hone skills.
Driver training is crucial for Atlanta-based UPS, which employs 99,000 U.S. drivers and says it will need to hire 25,000 over the next five years to replace retiring Baby Boomers.
Candidates vying for a driver's job, which pays an average of $74,000 annually, now spend one week at Integrad, an 11,500-square-foot, low-slung brick UPS training center 10 miles outside of Washington, D.C. There they move from one station to another practicing the company's "340 Methods," prescribed by UPS industrial engineers to save seconds and improve safety in every task from lifting and loading boxes to selecting a package from a shelf in the truck.

They play a videogame that places them in the driver's seat and has them identify obstacles. They progress from computer simulations to "Clarksville," a village of miniature houses and faux businesses on the property where they drive a real truck and must successfully execute five deliveries in 19 minutes.
So far, the new methods, designed by UPS and researchers from Virginia Tech, are proving successful, UPS says. Of the 1,629 trainees who have completed Integrad since it began as an experiment in 2007, only 10% have failed the training program, which takes a total of six weeks overall and includes 30 days driving a truck in the real world. UPS is known for promoting within, and many driver candidates began as UPS package handlers or other employees.
By getting out of the traditional classroom and using technology and hands-on learning, "we've enhanced the probability of success of these new drivers," says Allen Hill, UPS's senior vice president of human resources. A second Integrad will open in the Chicago area in the summer, and the training methods will eventually go company-wide, he says.
"Are you ready for this? Shake the nerves out! Take a deep breath," cheers Chris Breslin, a graying Integrad instructor, rallying his fresh-faced recruits on a recent day.
As Nick Byrnes, a 23-year-old with a buzz cut and black Ray-Ban sunglasses, drove through Clarksville, a UPS instructor tossed a football in his path. Mr. Byrnes hit the brakes. But then, when he hopped out to deliver a package, instructor Mike Keys sneaked an orange traffic cone in front of the truck.
Mr. Byrnes hopped back in and started up. "Stop! Stop! Ugh!" yelled Mr. Keys. He picked up the cone. "This is a kid who was playing football around your vehicle and went to get his ball."
Mr. Byrnes looked shaken and slapped his forehead. The lesson stuck: At the next stop, he checked for cones.
UPS isn't the only company using new training tools. Food service company Sodexo Inc. has recruited chefs through "Second Life" virtual job fairs and Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) has taught programming techniques through videogames. FedEx Corp. says it, too, has moved toward more hands-on learning in the past five years, although it adds the change wasn't prompted by a high failure rate among trainees.
On a recent day, UPS students at Integrad moved through "kinetic learning" modules. In one corner, they practiced loading and unloading packages from a UPS truck with clear sides, timed by instructors.
UPS allows 15.5 seconds to park a truck and retrieve one package from the cargo, which is arranged in order of delivery.
Over at the "slip and fall" machine, an instructor greased a tiled runway in preparation for a regular drill: Students must carry a 10-pound box down the surface -- while wearing shoes with no real tread. Luckily they wear a safety harness, as most flail around like drunken ice skaters until they are taught to stand straight and take slow baby steps. (This is the one time UPS relents on its rule that drivers walk at a "brisk pace," or 2.5 paces per second.)
In another corner, Rich Gossman, at 37 the oldest in the group, was slumped at a videogame that tests recruits' ability to find sales leads for UPS, something today's drivers are expected to do. The game puts his avatar in rooms where he has to identify competitors' packages.
Mr. Gossman, a married father, works overnight at a UPS warehouse, unloading packages for $12.50 an hour. Being a UPS driver appeals to him because of the pay and job security.
"This has been the most stressful week of my life," he said. But as he played the game Mr. Gossman got a pat on the back from UPS supervisor, Peggy Emmart. "I saw you identify that competitor package," she said.
"I saw that FedEx package and went, click, let's get 'em," said Mr. Gossman.
Trainees must pay attention to detail and appearance and work as a team. Students whose brown uniforms aren't ironed properly -- hanger creases are forbidden -- lose points for their teams, as does any trainee caught without his keys. UPS requires drivers to wear keys on their ring fingers to avoid wasting time searching for them.
"Raise your hands," Mr. Breslin ordered one group. Five jingling pairs of hands went up. "Good job," he said, clapping. "See how easy it is to bond with your keys?"
Write to Jennifer Levitz at jennifer.levitz@wsj.com
 
I don't know about UPS, but being a truck driver sucks. My dad has been a long haul driver for 25 years. His career highlights include:

- Deafness in his left ear
- Crippling back pain due to unloading
- Having passed out in a 120-degree + trailer, only to be woken up by EMTs over a half dozen times
- Hitting a bull and having it take out the entire cab below his feet
- Being sued (unsuccessful at least) by the parents of a child on a bus he put his truck into a ditch to avoid after it crossed the yellow
- Missing many family events
- Seeing a family of four drive into a bridge pillar at well over 100mph, and then finding what could barely be described as child remains scattered along the road
- Hearing three people burn to death ... in three separate incidents

and the best one...

- Having his entire rig picked up 40-feet off the ground by an F-4 tornado which ripped off his driver's side door, leaving him hanging by a seat belt. Truck was tossed into a ditch and ended up looking like an accordion.

I'm sure there's more I'm not even thinking of.
 
I don't know about UPS, but being a truck driver sucks. My dad has been a long haul driver for 25 years. His career highlights include:

- Deafness in his left ear
- Crippling back pain due to unloading
- Having passed out in a 120-degree + trailer, only to be woken up by EMTs over a half dozen times
- Hitting a bull and having it take out the entire cab below his feet
- Being sued (unsuccessful at least) by the parents of a child on a bus he put his truck into a ditch to avoid after it crossed the yellow
- Missing many family events
- Seeing a family of four drive into a bridge pillar at well over 100mph, and then finding what could barely be described as child remains scattered along the road
- Hearing three people burn to death ... in three separate incidents

and the best one...

- Having his entire rig picked up 40-feet off the ground by an F-4 tornado which ripped off his driver's side door, leaving him hanging by a seat belt. Truck was tossed into a ditch and ended up looking like an accordion.

I'm sure there's more I'm not even thinking of.

I agree being a long-haul driver is difficult. However, I think the article is referring to local delivery drivers.
 
Had a co-worker this morning show this to me.

Everytime we see a UPS or FedEx driver coming into our stores, it's as if they have never been in a pissed off mood about work ever.
 
The article is quoting "average" pay, not new-hire pay. And, as we love to point out, the media's accuracy in reporting of wages is not always very good. The media loves to say that the average pilot makes $70k a year too, and we all know the reality of pilot pay.

So I take any reports of wages that the media reports with a BIG grain of salt. (Can you tell I'm not a fan of the mass media?)

I know absolutely nothing about how much UPS or FedEx drivers make, but knowing how much the media screws up reporting pilot pay, I'd rather hear specific info from a UPS or FedEx driver themselves.
 
I worked as a package car loader (they arent trucks ;-) ) and probably should have continued instead of going to this career. I'd be making good money by now, benefits, union, etc etc etc...

It is QUITE hard physical work however. Definitely not for the lazy.

note on pay: a lot of the drivers did make that much. easily. many of them did not have a college education either. hell i was making 1600 a month working about 25 hours a week just in the sort facility while my first tour of duty in college.

how much are entry level flying jobs paying these days? oh yeah thats right...
 
5 years ago I interviewed at UPS for a PT job, they said the waiting list for a full time job (driver) is 8 YEARS.

My friend is a contract driver, kind of like UPS, he gets paid ~45k a year but out of that has to pay for fuel, truck payment, and insurance. Although his route now is 7AM - 10am/noon.
 
You'll have better luck and maybe an easier life waiting for a UPS pilot slot. Like PGT was saying, the waiting time to become a driver can get pretty long, and they don't hire drivers off the street. Expect to spend at least a couple years slinging packages 8hrs a day at a distribution center. Then you might be considered for a part-time route

Ive slung groceries as a package clerk in high school, and that job was much harder than an airline job. I can't imagine slinging UPS packages all day long in a distribution center hoping to make 70k after overtime as a driver in 5-10yrs.
 
I don't know about UPS, but being a truck driver sucks. My dad has been a long haul driver for 25 years. His career highlights include:

- Deafness in his left ear
- Crippling back pain due to unloading
- Having passed out in a 120-degree + trailer, only to be woken up by EMTs over a half dozen times
- Hitting a bull and having it take out the entire cab below his feet
- Being sued (unsuccessful at least) by the parents of a child on a bus he put his truck into a ditch to avoid after it crossed the yellow
- Missing many family events
- Seeing a family of four drive into a bridge pillar at well over 100mph, and then finding what could barely be described as child remains scattered along the road
- Hearing three people burn to death ... in three separate incidents

and the best one...

- Having his entire rig picked up 40-feet off the ground by an F-4 tornado which ripped off his driver's side door, leaving him hanging by a seat belt. Truck was tossed into a ditch and ended up looking like an accordion.

I'm sure there's more I'm not even thinking of.
Key word: Long haul. Over the road trucking is a whole different beast. That's like talking about a dog catcher position and then saying I would never do that job because my uncle was on the SWAT team and he hated it. One has almost nothing to do with the other.

That being said, I wouldn't want a UPS delivery postion. Its good money but its also hard physical work and lots of those guys end up with back trouble. But I'd jump at the chance for a UPS transport driver position. Great pay, great equipment, sleep in your own bed every night and 99% no touching boxes if you can bid into the right slot. Somebody usually has to die before those positions open up though.
 
UPS to lay off 300 pilots; Anchorage jobs affected...

After nearly two years of attempting to cut its costs through other means, United Parcel Service will lay off pilots, including some in Anchorage, according to a company spokesman. Nationwide, UPS will furlough 300 of its 2,800 pilots by 2011. The company will furlough 54 pilots in May, 170 by the end of the year and the remaining 76 by the end of 2011. The company has yet to reveal how many of its 400 Anchorage-based pilots will be furloughed. The carrier hopes to mitigate any impact these layoffs may have on its operations in Alaska by replacing furloughed pilots with senior pilots from other parts of the company's network. Bob Thrush, president of the union representing the pilots, said he believes the company will slash between 100 and 150 Anchorage pilots, meaning nearly half of all the furloughed employees would come from Anchorage. Read more here: http://homernews.com/stories/040710/business_6_001.shtml
 
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