BrianNC
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From the AOPA article on the II:
"Once in cruise at FL430, he says to expect still-air ranges as long as 2,300 nm."
Swearingen SJ30 Status?
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From the AOPA article on the II:
"Once in cruise at FL430, he says to expect still-air ranges as long as 2,300 nm."
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Swearingen has come up with some very innovative designs but has continued to tinker with many so long they were bypassed by competitors. For example, hard to find info on it but in the -80s, Swearingen came up with a design, the SA-28T which was a high-wing supersonic machine. Never got off paper. The SJ-30 was originally in competition with the original CitationJet. And how many CJs are out there now?
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Citation II fuel. 5000lbs. Basically full fuel up to 4 pax and then you start taking fuel off. The V is basically the II but with another 1000lbs of fuel.
Cruise is routinely around 0.60M for the II and maybe 0.64M for the V.
Good machine for a 2-2.5 hr flt with 4 pax.
Well, then yeah I guess you could squeak 2300 miles out of a 2 with the FJ44 engines on it.
That's got to be a 5.5 hour flight though. Still makes me cringe in a plane that size.
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NJA_Capt
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The V is really a longer variant of the SII (S550) which has a different wing from the basic Ce550. The SII cruises at 0.72 and the V(and later)cruise around 0.75
Still a moot point. For 2000nm+ flights the both cabins are far smaller than the people generally flying coast to coast want. Long range cruise for the SJ is only 0.76
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My error on the V but from talking to the guys who routinely fly it, yours is a bit faster than ours. None vouched for 0.75 which is slow.
Duck_Twacy
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I crawled inside an SJ-30 at NBAA a couple of years ago - it may have been a mock-up inside the convention center, I can't remember - and the cabin was tiny. I guess if you can get somewhere fast enough it's not a huge deal, but still.
It's a slick-lookin' bird though, and I like the F/18-esque landing gear.
It's a slick-lookin' bird though, and I like the F/18-esque landing gear.
NJA_Capt
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I have about 1500 hrs in the V (Ultra) and we routinely flew it at 0.75. It may be slow, but the air carriers aren't running any faster these days. All things considered, there isn't an appreciable difference between 0.75 and 0.82
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From dragging a 737-300/400 across the country at 0.74M and doing it earlier in a 727 at 0.80M, it SURE felt a lot different. (and earlier we are at 0.86M in the 'seven two')
NJA_Capt
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LOL....
I sure do miss the 72. What happened to the industry? You can't beat looks, speed and raw noise. Noise abatement....HA
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LOL....
I sure do miss the 72. What happened to the industry? You can't beat looks, speed and raw noise. Noise abatement....HA
...from a period when an airline job was a jet ride to the next party.
Corporate Pilot
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"and earlier we are at 0.86M in the 'seven two'"
Were you with Continental? My dad said Six told them to run the airplanes as fast as they would go.
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No. With Piedmont and later USAir. Few know that Piedmont was the FIRST airline to retire the 727 from its fleet. (as usual.. story behind the story. Boeing got PI one or maybe 2 727-100s while PI was waiting for its first 737-200s. When the 737s showed up, the 727s left the fleet. They later came back into the fleet.)
When I went right seat, we still had a few 727-100s which were a bit odd in that the yokes were displaced to the outside. They were NOT centered on the seats and I knew guys who said they LOVED the -100 and disliked the -200. I was the opposite. I really enjoyed the -200 and we had 3 different engines and when merged a 4th. We had -7, -9 and -15 engines and USAir had -17Rs on their airplanes. Didn't fly the -17R. Later got to fly the Valsan mod (727-100 with -7 center engine and -217 engines on the pods and the -200 mod that went to FedEx)
And we have discussed this before. In the A mode you could take the 727-200 over 400KIAS. Fun machine.. fun times.
Your Dad flew when Six was CEO. Six was extremely well liked and highly thought of. Sad demise.
When I went right seat, we still had a few 727-100s which were a bit odd in that the yokes were displaced to the outside. They were NOT centered on the seats and I knew guys who said they LOVED the -100 and disliked the -200. I was the opposite. I really enjoyed the -200 and we had 3 different engines and when merged a 4th. We had -7, -9 and -15 engines and USAir had -17Rs on their airplanes. Didn't fly the -17R. Later got to fly the Valsan mod (727-100 with -7 center engine and -217 engines on the pods and the -200 mod that went to FedEx)
And we have discussed this before. In the A mode you could take the 727-200 over 400KIAS. Fun machine.. fun times.
Your Dad flew when Six was CEO. Six was extremely well liked and highly thought of. Sad demise.