GroundStop and the pile up.....

I'll go ahead and say that KLM doesn't make it in, but I think Kalitta (CKS) will.

EDIT: KLM didn't make it in...
 
What i don't understand is why Mexicana's alternate is all the way at CYUL. I guess CYUL isn't that far from JFK, probably like a 50mins flight but filing an alternate in another country?
 
N8081G said:
What i don't understand is why Mexicana's alternate is all the way at CYUL. I guess CYUL isn't that far from JFK, probably like a 50mins flight but filing an alternate in another country?
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There's another Mexican flight (AMX?) going to BGR.
 
Aeromexico probably wanted YUL because their company has operations there. They might not have them anywhere else in the northeastern US, but i don't know. It is always preferable to divert to another station where your company operates vs. relying on another airline to assist you with services (see coex RST incident). You'll also usually want to divert somewhere that has adequate customs facilities in the event of an international divert, in case you end up needing to deplane the pax.
 
JEP said:
what about this:

....and now a few have returned to the gate. Sounds like they don't want to even leave.... WS1500-sfc +/- 20 kts Severe Turbulence

10035G50 :eek:
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sounds good to me. We had severe turbulence in cruise yesterday. I'd be ok if I never experienced that again.
 
Got the crap kicked out of me going into BWI this morning:

[FONT=Monospace,Courier]KBWI 131208Z 08016G26KT 1/2SM R10/4000V6000FT +RA FG OVC006 11/10 A2949 RMK AO2 PK WND 07026/1203 CIG 004V007 P0007

[/FONT]Doesn't look too bad, except for the fact that winds were 100@70 at 3000'. Had to keep cruise power almost all the way to the ground with the gradient wind on the way down. Good times...
 
Screaming_Emu said:
sounds good to me. We had severe turbulence in cruise yesterday. I'd be ok if I never experienced that again.
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Like...legit severe? Autopilot kicked itself off, you temporarily lost control of the aircraft severe?

I mean I'm not doubting you, I've just only seen severe twice in my life, once in a Chieftain and once in the EMB-145, and both times we were below 10,000' tooling around on an arrival. Even then, it was continuous moderate, occasional severe.
 
YUL isn't very far from JFK in a jet. And if their alternate were closer, it would be in the same weather system as JFK, right? You want an alternate with -better- weather, not same or worse.

Still the total wind isn't the problem, it's the big gusts and crosswind componant, and they were reporting -sever- turbulance, you want to try to touch down in that? I'm guessing that's why the outbounds returned to the gate, windshear and sever turb, big time no-go. I landed in Gatwick one day in a fairly steady 65kt. headwind, but it was right down the runway, no big deal, we had to add power to get to the highspeed...
 
Timbo said:
YUL isn't very far from JFK in a jet. And if their alternate were closer, it would be in the same weather system as JFK, right? You want an alternate with -better- weather, not same or worse.

Still the total wind isn't the problem, it's the big gusts and crosswind componant, and they were reporting -sever- turbulance, you want to try to touch down in that?
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YUL is well inland. The reason the winds are so bad at JFK is because its right on the water and the water is where the big winds are coming in from. There is a lot less friction over water than land, so the faster winds blowing in from the water produce a convergence zone over the land which is going to generate some upward motion.

You are going to avoid a lot of that by choosing an alternate away from the coastal waters.

And to the poster questioning why YUL? Remember they took off from Mexico, to them JFK and YUL are both in foreign countries, just not the same one.
 
I guess I wasn't clear in my post, I meant YUL is far enough to be in a different weather system, but not -too far- to go in a jet.

I race sailboats when I'm not flying, that's me waving at you over there on the left. I'm well aware of what friction does to winds over water vs. over land, but your explanation was much better worded, thanks!

BTW, it was very windy down here in FL today too, gusting to 28 most of the day, I cancelled my joyride in the Scout!
 
The turbulence today was really bad going into Newark today. We had continuous moderate and severe turbulence from 6000 feet all the way down to about 1200. Right about then the severe turbulence started to turn to just continuous moderate and we ended up being able to land. Three aircraft in front of us (A320, 757, and A330) went around. The winds at 4000 feet were 110 at 100 knots!!! At 2000 they were 090 at 80 and finally they switched to 050 at 34 gust to 48 for RWY 4R. This was the worst turbulence in an approach I have flown in the [only] 3 years of turboprop flying I've been doing in the Northeast. Quite a few passengers threw up!
 
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