AGI Written?

LazyBones125

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Im planning to take my CFI Written tomorrow and was wondering if I should take the AGI written too?

I know I can get a AGI certificate if I present the examiner my written results on my CFI checkride, but my question is would they make the checkride harder on me if I wanted the AGI also?
 
Question I asked myself when I was doing my I's-whats the point of an AGI or an IGI? How will spending these extra dollars afford me more dollars. I couldn't answer so I didn't do them.
 
Question I asked myself when I was doing my I's-whats the point of an AGI or an IGI?

I was told that getting these would help protect yourself. That if you sign off on students to take the knowledge test with your AGI/IGI and they fail repeatedly the FAA won't come looking for you. As opposed to using your CFI and having to do a 709 ride. But I've never seen this in writing anywhere.
 
Question I asked myself when I was doing my I's-whats the point of an AGI or an IGI? How will spending these extra dollars afford me more dollars. I couldn't answer so I didn't do them.

You need one of the two if you want to get your gold seal, for what that's worth! :dunno:


That is why I got mine (And the only reason I got mine).
 
Im planning to take my CFI Written tomorrow and was wondering if I should take the AGI written too?

I know I can get a AGI certificate if I present the examiner my written results on my CFI checkride, but my question is would they make the checkride harder on me if I wanted the AGI also?

you dont present the results to your examiner on the CFI ride. You bring the results to the FSDO, along with an 8710, and you are issued the AGI. It really has nothing to do with the DPE for the CFI chechride.

I did it for the option of getting the gold seal as was mentioned above.
 
This is related to different posts in this thread, but I'll put them all in one post:

The value of having or using a ground instructor certificate when endorsing a student for a knowledge (written) test as a shield against a possible 44709 reexamination is zero. The student who repeatedly fails a knowledge test will run out of money long before it raises any flags at the FAA. If an applicant or series of applicants fail a practical (check ride) test, it could trigger a 44709 reexamination. There is a database that contains the CFI's performance, however, that data is only rarely examined and even less often acted upon. Typically when a CFI receives a 44709 reexamination for something related to their student (as opposed to an event in which they were in the aircraft), it is when the student is involved in a problem (airspace bust, accident, etc.). In one rare instance, I saw a 44709 done on a CFI for paperwork. That was a CFI who kept signing 90 day solo endorsements on the student's certificate instead of their logbook. A couple DPEs tried to explain to him that he was doing it incorrectly, but due to the CFI's "unique" personality, he was convinced he knew more than the DPEs. The DPEs mentioned it to the FAA at a meeting and the result was a 44709 of the CFI to evaluate his understanding of logbook entries and pilot certificate endorsements.

To obtain a ground instructor certificate the applicant needs to present their knowledge test for that particular certificate along with a Fundamentals of Instruction (FOI) knowledge test or one of the items listed in 14 CFR 61.213(b). The most common way to do that is to go to the FSDO. (Be sure to check ahead of time if they require appointments.) However, if there is a hardship involved in doing that, it may be possible to get a ground instructor certificate from an examiner. There is a provision in FAA Order 8900.1, Volume 13, Chapter 3, Section 1 that allows for "Ground Instructor Examiners" (GIE). If done correctly, it requires the person to be designated in writing. However, it is often done by a phone call between the FSDO and the examiner. Of course, you want to sort all that out ahead of time instead of surprising them with the request, particularly since only one in five FAA inspectors even knows what a GIE is.

As to the OP's question about would it make the test harder if he tried to do both at the same time, the answer is probably yes. If the test is administered by a DPE, it is likely the DPE wouldn't have a clue what the applicant was talking about. However, if it were given by an FAA inspector, the inspector would have the authority to issue the ground instructor certificate and hopefully would understand the process and the requirements. But, to be on the safe side, I would probably do that in a separate visit to the FSDO. In fact, if the FOI test score is passing but not good, getting the ground instructor certificate ahead of time would be a good way to keep from having to show the low test score on the FOI. On the other hand, if the FOI test score is high, make a copy of the test and get the ground instructor certificate ahead of time. Then show the ground instructor certificate and casualy present the copy of the FOI with a statement such as "I know this isn't needed because of the ground instructor certificate, but here is a copy just in case you wanted to see it".

As to the value of a ground instructor certificate, that is an individual question. Many certificates are obtained for no reason other than bragging rights. It does make the instructor eligible for a gold seal, which made sense back in the day that tests were given for free. However, with today's test fees (which are about to get even more expensive), the decision becomes more one of personal economics.
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Do you have to bring original copies of the CFI and CFII to get your AGI and IGI?

Does the FSDO just hand it over when they see the results or do they give you an oral or anything? Do you have to make an appt?

Thanks in advance.
 
If you already have your CFI/II you only need to take the IGI & AGI writtens, do the 8710 for each and most DPEs will sign it off. Too easy:D
 
For an extra... what $100? and an hour of your time to take two extra writtens you get an extra line on your resume. Sets you apart from other candidates.

I have an ATP, CFI/CFII/MEI, AGI/IGI, Dispatcher. It's 4 separate pieces of plastic from the Feds. I don't know if it's ever helped me get a job -- but it's certainly never hurt.
 
If you already have your CFI/II you only need to take the IGI & AGI writtens, do the 8710 for each and most DPEs will sign it off. Too easy:D

What if you do not yet have your CFI? Do you just take the FOI, Knowledge test and AGI test results to the FSDO? Also if you do not end up finishing the CFI does the AGI have to be renewed like the CFI does? Thanks.
 
Thanks for the advice guys, I took both yesterday, my instructor was telling me to just give the examiner both when I take the CFI ride at the FSDO but I might do it separately.
 
Im planning to take my CFI Written tomorrow and was wondering if I should take the AGI written too?

I know I can get a AGI certificate if I present the examiner my written results on my CFI checkride, but my question is would they make the checkride harder on me if I wanted the AGI also?

Its the same stuff, so if you have the $ to spare, take it--nice shiny thing on the resume and no extra work.


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I know I can get a AGI certificate if I present the examiner my written results on my CFI checkride, but my question is would they make the checkride harder on me if I wanted the AGI also?

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The only trouble with the "the AGI/IGI beefs up your resume" line of thinking, is that the person you hand your resume to knows all you did was cough up a C note to add the fruit salad to your name.

In order to add value to your resume, the thing you add has to first be valuable. Ground certificates are only valuable if you 1) work as a ground instructor and don't have a CFI/II, or 2) perceive value in getting a gold seal.

BTW, I doubt I'd want to work for someone who was impressed by an AGI ticket.
 
I'd hire someone with an AGI/IGI vs. someone with identical qualifications who does not. It doesn't mean much other than that the individual had submitted to two additional jeopardy events (albeit only written exams) in order to obtain the qualification.

There are those who have the drive to achieve all they are able to, and those who skate by on the bare minimum. I know which kind I would hire.
 
Sure, but your assumption is there are two guys who are identical in EVERY OTHER WAY, (same TT, X/C, Inst, Dual given, personality, education, availability, background, etc) and the ONLY way to discriminate between them is an AGI/IGI. If that's the case, then sure, hire the guy who decided (like you) that the certificates were worth the coin. Personally, I'd rather hire the guy who decided there was more value in dropping that two C notes on the bar and buying drinks for his friends (or whatever). Since the OP already took the test, this is just an academic discussion.
 
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