Southwest Airlines 2 Injured after TCAS RA

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BURBANK, Calif. — The Federal Aviation Administration says two flight attendants were injured when a Southwest Airlines pilot took sudden evasive action to avoid a collision with a private plane near Burbank over the weekend.

FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said Tuesday the pilot of Southwest Flight 2534 from Las Vegas got an automated alert because it was briefly on a collision course with another aircraft. The plane was flying at about 6,000 feet Saturday about 20 miles away from Bob Hope <NOBR style="COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_0_0>Airport</NOBR>.
Gregor says the Southwest pilot made some sudden maneuvers to avoid the other plane, which was about two miles away. He says one Southwest flight attendant suffered a broken shoulder, the other was bruised.
The FAA and National Transportation Safety <NOBR style="COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_2_0>Board</NOBR> are investigating the incident.
 
The valley corridor can be quite busy at times! I seen my fair share of aircraft at the last minute while flying out there. And thats just the aircraft that I saw. I often imagined how many that I didn't see.:eek:
 
Bandit_Driver said:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586221,00.htmlHe says one Southwest flight attendant suffered a broken shoulder, the other was bruised.
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What do you tell a flight attendant with two black eyes? Nothin...you already told her twice!

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skydog2 said:
Need to retitle this post: Southwest Airlines saves 149 after TCAS RA
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Happens every day. Nice job crew, but this is why we are trained.... No need to make a larger deal out of this and try to draw more attention..... Better to keep these sort of things on the DL and then address them within the right chain of command to try to make things safer for all.... No need to make the public even more concerned about things...
 
Broken shoulder after an RA? Someone tell these guys they don't have to pin everyone to the ceiling. TCAS II sounds the RA when within 25 seconds of impact. Still plenty of time to be prompt but smooth about it. :eek:
 
Doesn't TCAS compute and issue RA's with a 5 second lag, followed by a .75 to 1.25 G push/pull? There's really no need to make any drastic changes to the flight path, as a properly executed RA shouldn't even be felt by the passengers as anything more than a normal turn.
 
XcalibeR said:
Doesn't TCAS compute and issue RA's with a 5 second lag, followed by a .75 to 1.25 G push/pull? There's really no need to make any drastic changes to the flight path, as a properly executed RA shouldn't even be felt by the passengers as anything more than a normal turn.
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A standard RA allows, I believe, a 5 second response time requiring a 1.25 G pitch maneuver.
 
KLB said:
The valley corridor can be quite busy at times! I seen my fair share of aircraft at the last minute while flying out there. And thats just the aircraft that I saw. I often imagined how many that I didn't see.:eek:
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I had two near midair's in that exact area. Both times the controller called out the traffic (that wasn't talking to him, obviously).

One time was with JayAre, the other was with the Hungarian.
 
dasleben said:
A standard RA allows, I believe, a 5 second response time requiring a 1.25 G pitch maneuver.
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out of my Dash 1..it states

" the system expects a 5 second crew reaction to an initial RA, and may require up to a +-.25G maneuver to satisfy the advisory. A subsequent command or reversal requires a 2.5 second reaction time a +- .35G maneuver. "

We stress at our school house that this is a gentle maneuver! Vert the aircraft into the green band smoothly. There have been some folks that have overreacted and over G'd the plane.

With that said, I don't care to comment on the above incident as I was not in the cockpit at the time. Its always easy to quarterback from the couch on these types of things.
 
KLB said:
The valley corridor can be quite busy at times! I seen my fair share of aircraft at the last minute while flying out there. And thats just the aircraft that I saw. I often imagined how many that I didn't see.:eek:
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I've always said that is the busiest area in SoCal's airspace. Besides all the transit traffic there is Burbank and Van Nuys. LAX is sneaking a lot of departures though around 10,000 too.

Get out your camera's because you usually have a Kodak moment with someone.

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fholbert said:
I've always said that is the busiest area in SoCal's airspace. Besides all the transit traffic there is Burbank and Van Nuys. LAX is sneaking a lot of departures though around 10,000 too.

Get out your camera's because you usually have a Kodak moment with someone.

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its Dough!
 
dasleben said:
Broken shoulder after an RA? Someone tell these guys they don't have to pin everyone to the ceiling. TCAS II sounds the RA when within 25 seconds of impact. Still plenty of time to be prompt but smooth about it. :eek:
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Exactly. I got an RA going into Newark 2 weeks ago and had to descend 400 feet to avoid a GA airplane. 1 minute later US Airways had an RA on the same aircraft and climbed to avoid. The controller seemed pretty oblivious to both of our calls asking for an explanation. The GA airplane was under his control as it turns out. Fortunately nobody was hurt. Unreal....:mad:
 
We don't have all the facts here but to launch an FA seems a bit agreesive but I have also seen it where TCAS gives a late warning as traffic "just appeared" on it.
 
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