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Seggy

Seggy

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It is the Pilot in Command's decision to allow a jumpseater to sit on their airplane.

I can look up the FAR tommorow if someone doesn't believe me!
 
Nick said:
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Last week we told a CAL guy to hitch a ride on the next flight instead of ours. He already knew why. (my laptop is always in standby mode)

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Why? I thought all the former CAL scabs were back "in good standing" with ALPA, in trade for letting ALPA back on property. If so, denying them a JS would be disingenuous, wouldn't it?
 
Seggy said:
It is the Pilot in Command's decision to allow a jumpseater to sit on their airplane.

I can look up the FAR tommorow if someone doesn't believe me!
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You just said two wrongs don't make a right.

But I guess what you are trying to tell me is that two wrongs do make a right as long as the PIC made the decision that his actions are in fact right?
 
Seggy said:
It is the Pilot in Command's decision to allow a jumpseater to sit on their airplane.

I can look up the FAR tommorow if someone doesn't believe me!
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Not quite. The PIC can deny access to the jumpseat. He cannot grant access to anyone the FAA and the company haven't previously agreed too.
 
Seggy said:
It is the Pilot in Command's decision to allow a jumpseater to sit on their airplane.

I can look up the FAR tommorow if someone doesn't believe me!
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... so... what prompted this statement?

Based on history, I'd say there was a specific event. And you're pissed.
 
Seggy said:
It is the Pilot in Command's decision to allow a jumpseater to sit on their airplane.

I can look up the FAR tommorow if someone doesn't believe me!
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Depending on the situation, and if you are making a proper decision or not, your FO could easily get off the plane and force you to be late as well. And leave you to explain yourself to management later as to why that situation had to go to a petty extent of jumpseat wars no?
 
jhugz said:
You just said two wrongs don't make a right.
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Denying a jumpseat is not a "wrong." The PIC owns the jumpseat. He can do with it as he pleases.

MikeD said:
Why? I thought all the former CAL scabs were back "in good standing" with ALPA, in trade for letting ALPA back on property. If so, denying them a JS would be disingenuous, wouldn't it?
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I'm not even sure that CAL precipitated Seggy's thread, but to be clear, although the CAL scabs are considered to be in good standing (as long as they maintain their dues payments), that has nothing to do with whether an individual captain has to allow them on his jumpseat. The jumpseat is a privilege, not a right, and the captain holds the keys to that privilege.

meyers9163 said:
Depending on the situation, and if you are making a proper decision or not, your FO could easily get off the plane and force you to be late as well. And leave you to explain yourself to management later as to why that situation had to go to a petty extent of jumpseat wars no?
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As someone who has represented many, many pilots in disciplinary proceedings, I can assure you that the FO would be the one facing termination in that case, not the captain.

robair73 said:
Sounds to me like a nerd got his feathers ruffled.
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You've clearly never met Seggy.
 
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