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1447 total, 400ish multi, my BFR currency officially ended Jan 31, just a few days ago. My instrument currency lapsed way back in '08. My last flight was one I did in a Seneca (first time in one) back in June '09, which included an instrument approach. I didn't do that bad on the approach all things considered, which is why I'm not worried about making it through training at various places, as long as they'll let me in.

I got a good idea! Obviously we're not answering your question and since you're so interested in AMF call 1-800-800-4JET and ask for Sherri Hudson. She is in charge of pilot recruitment. Go ahead and ask her what her recommendation would be to have the best chance of getting a job with AMF. Maybe you'll take her advice..
 
I have to feel for ya. I was in the pretty much the same position as you were a year ago. I spent the little money I could scrap together and paid for a fresh medical and a few hours in a cherokee. The only thing I was able to accomplish was to not have enough money to cover a student loan payment that month.
 
1447 total, 400ish multi, my BFR currency officially ended Jan 31, just a few days ago. My instrument currency lapsed way back in '08. My last flight was one I did in a Seneca (first time in one) back in June '09, which included an instrument approach. I didn't do that bad on the approach all things considered, which is why I'm not worried about making it through training at various places, as long as they'll let me in.

You flew one approach over 6 months ago and you didn't do too bad and you think that's good enough?
You'd be lucky to get in on your low total time. We had guys with 3 times your time fail out of my indoc training. I'd suggest you go back to CFIing for 6 months or so and get your skills and hours up a bit.
Perhaps taking the attitude into the shop and getting that tweaked a little bit. The last thing we need is more pilots that are just good enough get jobs. I rather have pilots who are busting their ass trying to get the jobs let alone some of the good ones.

I understand it's tough financially, murphfly knows a thing or 5 about how that works.
 
1447 total, 400ish multi, my BFR currency officially ended Jan 31, just a few days ago. My instrument currency lapsed way back in '08. My last flight was one I did in a Seneca (first time in one) back in June '09, which included an instrument approach. I didn't do that bad on the approach all things considered, which is why I'm not worried about making it through training at various places, as long as they'll let me in.

What I see, no problems with total time or multi time, the BFR might not be that big of a deal since it hasn't been more than a few days.

The real problem is that I am doubtful that you are going to be considered IFR current enough to be a candidate. Competitive in this environment will be 10 actual or simulated approaches at a minimum within the last 2 months, and 20 hours minimum within the previous 90 days.

You WILL have to have a current medical upon interview, there is not going to be any negotiating about this.

If you say that the approach "wasn't that bad all things considered" you aren't qualified. The proper response is I flew this to ATP standards, if you didn't you will wash out in the simulator.

In the end the only way to truly know is to fill out the online application.
 
What I see, no problems with total time or multi time, the BFR might not be that big of a deal since it hasn't been more than a few days.

The real problem is that I am doubtful that you are going to be considered IFR current enough to be a candidate. Competitive in this environment will be 10 actual or simulated approaches at a minimum within the last 2 months, and 20 hours minimum within the previous 90 days.

Holy moly. Even when I was flying full time part 135 I barely logged 1 or 2 per month.

If you say that the approach "wasn't that bad all things considered" you aren't qualified. The proper response is I flew this to ATP standards, if you didn't you will wash out in the simulator.

In the end the only way to truly know is to fill out the online application.

It was an expression of speech. I knew of the flight less than 20 minutes before we took off, and I didn't even know where we were going until we got half way there. I flew the leg home. I did the takeoff, I flew the 2.5 hour enroute leg by hand, then my first landing in a Seneca was after my very first approach in a Seneca. Was it to ATP standards? I don't see why not. Approaches aren't exactly rocket science. You just follow the instructions. (Given you can understand the instructions in the first place).

Like I said earlier, most flying skills are like riding a bike. Once you know how to do it, you know it for life, and your ability isn't going to fade that much over time. In 2005 the rock bank Pink Floyd reunited after having not played together since like 1980. Allegedly they rehearsed for 1 full day and one half day before their big reunion concert. And when they did the concert it was flawless. If you learn something really well to the point where it becomes like second nature, you'll never lose it. I'm not saying I'm the David Gilmour of instrument approaches, but I do think I am at the point where time of disuse isn't much of a problem. Back when I had 200 hours, it was a different story...

That said, there are some out there who will never truly "get it", and will need constant refreshers every few weeks well past the point where their logbook totals exceed upper 4 digits...

There has to be someone out there reading this who has gone long periods of time without flying, and then had very little trouble getting back into it.
 
Holy moly. Even when I was flying full time part 135 I barely logged 1 or 2 per month.



It was an expression of speech. I knew of the flight less than 20 minutes before we took off, and I didn't even know where we were going until we got half way there.

Sounds like a typical training profile in the Chieftain at Amflight. Beech 99 program is run the same way.

I flew the leg home. I did the takeoff, I flew the 2.5 hour enroute leg by hand, then my first landing in a Seneca was after my very first approach in a Seneca. Was it to ATP standards? I don't see why not. Approaches aren't exactly rocket science. You just follow the instructions. (Given you can understand the instructions in the first place).
Might want to look up the definition of ATP standard when it comes to approaches.

Like I said earlier, most flying skills are like riding a bike. Once you know how to do it, you know it for life, and your ability isn't going to fade that much over time.
I'm not sure I'd agree with this.

In 2005 the rock bank Pink Floyd reunited after having not played together since like 1980. Allegedly they rehearsed for 1 full day and one half day before their big reunion concert. And when they did the concert it was flawless.
I'm a musician in addition to being a pilot, and having not played TOGETHER and having not played AT ALL are two different things. I haven't touched a drum in 2 years, and my chops aren't NEARLY what they used to be. By the same token, I'd never be able to nail a raw data ILS to ATP standards tonight.

If you learn something really well to the point where it becomes like second nature, you'll never lose it. I'm not saying I'm the David Gilmour of instrument approaches, but I do think I am at the point where time of disuse isn't much of a problem. Back when I had 200 hours, it was a different story...

That said, there are some out there who will never truly "get it", and will need constant refreshers every few weeks well past the point where their logbook totals exceed upper 4 digits...

There has to be someone out there reading this who has gone long periods of time without flying, and then had very little trouble getting back into it.
I had a 2.5 year gap between my instrument rating and my commercial rating. It took about 5 hours to get back to being fully VFR proficient, and another 5 hours of time under the hood to get the IFR skills back. Did it take long? Nope. But would I have washed out of Amflight's training program in those 10 hours?

You betcha. I wouldn't have gotten past the 2nd sim.

Call Sherri. Good luck, holmes.
 
Holy moly. Even when I was flying full time part 135 I barely logged 1 or 2 per month.



It was an expression of speech. I knew of the flight less than 20 minutes before we took off, and I didn't even know where we were going until we got half way there. I flew the leg home. I did the takeoff, I flew the 2.5 hour enroute leg by hand, then my first landing in a Seneca was after my very first approach in a Seneca. Was it to ATP standards? I don't see why not. Approaches aren't exactly rocket science. You just follow the instructions. (Given you can understand the instructions in the first place).

Like I said earlier, most flying skills are like riding a bike. Once you know how to do it, you know it for life, and your ability isn't going to fade that much over time. In 2005 the rock bank Pink Floyd reunited after having not played together since like 1980. Allegedly they rehearsed for 1 full day and one half day before their big reunion concert. And when they did the concert it was flawless. If you learn something really well to the point where it becomes like second nature, you'll never lose it. I'm not saying I'm the David Gilmour of instrument approaches, but I do think I am at the point where time of disuse isn't much of a problem. Back when I had 200 hours, it was a different story...

That said, there are some out there who will never truly "get it", and will need constant refreshers every few weeks well past the point where their logbook totals exceed upper 4 digits...

There has to be someone out there reading this who has gone long periods of time without flying, and then had very little trouble getting back into it.

I would like you to save this post. In 5 years read it over again and give me a call.

But you aren't going to get hired by convincing me, if you want the job then put down the jetcareers and go apply. The only real question that will be answered when you do it is "are you competitive".
 
I'm not getting "mad" at anyone. I sense that you all are getting mad a me because I dare not kowtow to the superior baseless anecdotes of those who left AMF over 2 years ago, or who have never had anything to do with AMF ever.

The poster you're refering to, I had to go back a few pages to learn he "left in July of 2007". Back in those days I imagine most people were probably starting at AMF less than 24 calendar months after their discovery flight. No offense or anything, but 2.5 year old anecdotes in this industry don't mean much.

Really bro don't bother puttin in your resume!
 
Harry, I think you'd better stick to your Nimbus 2000 (broomstick). :cwm27:

I would strongly suggest reading very carefully what has been said by... well, pretty much everyone in this thread. Especially spbrian. Everyone has been pretty patient with you considering your attitude, but clearly the message isn't being received.

An hour of halfass Seneca time and a halfass instrument approach 9 months ago? I don't even know why this discussion is still going on, except that it is starting to get entertaining. In the very unlikely event that you were invited to training, to be blunt- you would get your ass handed to you and be washed out before you even made it to the airplane. A few of us that are trying to get through to you in this thread have had your type as a trainee before. Your "it's just like riding a bike" theory is a pretty dangerous attitude to have, and it screams that you are completely out of touch with reality.

Really, with your attitude, Bob would flush you out of basic indoc within the first three days. I'd bet money on it. But by all means, please try to prove us wrong. :)
 
And the market has changed as well.

The things that were considered "adequate" back in 2007 are preposterous today.

There are too many guys on the street, with experience, to risk burning training captain time and $5/gal 100LL to bring an applicant up to speed.
 
An hour of halfass Seneca time and a halfass instrument approach 9 months ago? I don't even know why this discussion is still going on, except that it is starting to get entertaining. In the very unlikely event that you were invited to training, to be blunt- you would get your ass handed to you and be washed out before you even made it to the airplane.

You're assuming that my skills in that situation is equal to how your skills would be after doing just one "half-ass" flight 9 months ago. This is what I can't fathom. This makes me curious. I can't fathom that you can't fathom someone still being able to fly an airplane after being away from an airplane for a period of a few years.

I seems like the general consensus is that if you are out of the cockpit for any longer than 6 months or so, your pilot skills are greatly degraded. Maybe I'm the aviation equivilent of the Rainman or something, but I don't feel like me being away from the cockpit has degraded my skills in any measurable way.

I can think back to my lat flight in June, and it just seems so odd to me that it should be normal that my skills should be degraded in any great was since then. Sheesh, I know what a missed approach point was back then, I know what one is now. Back then I knew what to do when passing the final approach point, and miraculously I know what to do now as well. It just seems completely foreign to me that I'm supposed to not know this stuff. I've never considered myself any better than the rest of the pilot population, but I don't know, I guess I must be...

Please tell me there are other people out there that doesn't need to be spoonfed basic flying information after being away from the cockpit for more than a few months... Please let there be people out there who are actually better skilled than I am.
 

Harry a few things.

1) I know for a fact that THREE former AMF check airmen in this thread have told you what you need to do to get ready for a job at AMF. Do you think they know a thing or two about what it takes to fly the line at AMF?

2) I was on the street for just six months and it took me about 8 hours in the sim to get back to an OK level.
 
Remember Harry, you're the one looking for a job and you're doing a very efficient job at pissing off your potential coworkers.

One thing my dad always said was "It don't matter how you feel. Open your eyes and pay attention to who is saying what, if you want to get ahead."
 
Remember Harry, you're the one looking for a job and you're doing a very efficient job at pissing off your potential coworkers.

One thing my dad always said was "It don't matter how you feel. Open your eyes and pay attention to who is saying what, if you want to get ahead."
I'm obviously not going to put my internet username on the application
 
I'm not trying to be negative here, but the internet is NOT anonymous at all. Which is primarily why I use my real name as it helps me "self-moderate".
 
Shocked, I am! :) :sarcasm:

Seriously. Knowing the people behind the posts that were offering you honest advice, I honestly feel that you should listen to their guidance.

D
 
Shocked, I am! :) :sarcasm:

Seriously. Knowing the people behind the posts that were offering you honest advice, I honestly feel that you should listen to their guidance.

D
One thing I learned over the years is that a good measure of how trustworthy a source of information is can be measured by the inverse of how much effort they put on proving they are trust worthy.

I worked for XYZ flight school from December 06 to January 08. That doesn't make me a the voice of reason on every matter related to XYZ flight school just because I happen to have an association with it.

Millitary people are guilty of this a lot. They'll say things like "The US military is [insert extremely wrong opinion that couldn't be more wrong here] , AND I SERVED IN IRAQ SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU WERENT THERE". As if being in the military automatically makes everything you say completely correct.

Anyways, how am I supposed to take advice from anyone who tries to claim that they know for a fact that I'm going to flunk out of some training program because of some posts I've made on the internet. Give me a break.

All I wanted to know is if anyone has any real first hand knowledge regarding Ameriflight's handling of applicant's currency status prior to the interview process. I'm ignoring and dismissing the advice because quite honestly I didn't ask for any.
 
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