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mikecweb said:
That's great and all but you do realize the people you are disagreeing with are either working there, have worked there, or are working in some place much better than Ameriflight. I would take their advice, maybe even be friendly with them and you never know maybe your incredibly qualified without currency resume might be walked in. I doubt however anyone would take a chance on their reputation for someone not willing to make the effort of a BFR.
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That sums it up.

Harry, your right. You CAN get hired without being legally current. The point many are trying to get across is that it's in your benifit to be legally current for being that much more competive. If you get hired without being current and pass your checkride, more power to you. Lemme know how that goes.
 
JayAre said:
One other thing. AMF has its up and downs but they just gave me $4000 for not quiting! Thank you AMF retention bonus!
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It's cool and a real kick in the nuts at the same time though because half of the bonus goes in taxes!
 
HARRY POTTER said:
Theres two types of currency, they way I see it. Legal currency, and practical currency. You can be legal as per the FARs, yet still not be able to pass the initial training at any given company. You can also not be current yet still be able to pass the company training program. Every company under the sun wants their pilots to be practically current. In my experience, not every company cares too much about legal currency but they all care about practical currency.

When I was doing BFR's back when I was a practicing CFI, the trend I noticed was higher time pilots had a much better time dealing with being away from flying much better than lower time pilots. I would do a BFR for a 300 hour guy who hadn't flown in 3 weeks and he'd struggle a lot more than a 2000 hour guy who hadn't flown in 18 months. I feel my own experience follows that. But thats a whole other thread...

If I were hiring, I wouldn't care one bit whether the applicant was legally current. Especially if the final checkride counted as a BFR. All it takes is a wad of money, and a free day to knock off a BFR. Doing a glorified one hour lesson with a CFI is not likely going to increase you ability to have any real effect on your flying skills during the interview/training process. Maybe if the BFR was in a Navajo and it lasted 10 hours instead of just one... But not a one hour flight in a C-172 or whatever. If you're at the level of part 135 mins and you require a one hour BFR flight to regain even just a little bit of basic flying ability, then IMO you have problems...

If getting BFR's and medical exams were free, or if I were a billionaire, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now. If it were the case, I'd go flying every day. I'd rent a Navajo right now and fly it every day until I get a call from Ameriflight. I think familiarity with a specific aircraft goes much further than legal currency, IMO. But thats another discussion for another thread.

If I had to make a choice (which is kind of the case here) between eating, or doing a glorified one hour lesson in a C-172, I'm choosing food.
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A few people responding on here have been training captain's at Amflight; the people that would train on when you got there.

I would recommend you heed their advice, they know the ins and outs of passing training at Amflight.
 
scooter2525 said:
That sums it up.

Harry, your right. You CAN get hired without being legally current. The point many are trying to get across is that it's in your benifit to be legally current for being that much more competive. If you get hired without being current and pass your checkride, more power to you. Lemme know how that goes.
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Is that competitive advantage worth skipping meals for the next few months? The thing is, I absolutely do not have the financial means to get a BFR/2nd class/IPC any time soon, unless I hit the lotto. Especially without any kind of guarantee it'll get me hired. Either AMF is going to see my app with those boxes unchecked and throw it in the trash immediately, or they won't. If they don't just chuck it out on sight, I'd like to know, so I can keep hope alive and maybe re-apply ever few weeks. If being out of currency is an automatic disqualification, then I'll just give up on it. I'll wait a months/years to get all those IPC/BFR/medical things taken care of once things pick up again so I have a better chance of not having spent all that money to remain unemployed.

Basically I'd rather not get a BFR and let it result in me having zero chances of getting a job, rather than spend a lot of money to get the BFR, because then it only results in a slightly higher than zero chance of me getting a job. The money just ain't worth it these days.

It'd be great to hear some real data straight from the horses mouths (recently hired pilots who may not have been current), other than just people's opinions and wild guesses. Not that I don't appreciate that or anything, but it's just not as helpful.
 
I didn't see anybody walk through the doors without being current.

50% of those very current guys washed out of training.

We're not taking guesses, you're just not getting the hint.
 
jtrain609 said:
I didn't see anybody walk through the doors without being current.

50% of those very current guys washed out of training.

We're not taking guesses, you're just not getting the hint.
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Can you be more specific? Do you work for Ameriflight? Do you speak for Ameriflight? Can you reveal your sources? Are you just speaking in general? Because I've see with my own eyes people who have been hired at other companies without being current. One person in this very thread admitted that very thing just a few posts ago.
 
Dude. I said I did it at FLX flying a 210 in 2005. On the other hand, the guy you're getting mad at was a training captain for Amflight much more recently than that. I'd suggest that you do yourself a favor and listen to the Amflight vets who are to a man saying "get current". Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but dems da breaks.
 
I have never worked for Ameriflight.

I am not a training captain.

However, I do personally know two former training captains and guys who could not fly instruments off the bat were almost immediately washed out. I don't think I'd want to face the rigors of getting up to speed flying instruments and throwing the complexities of a new aircraft at the same time.

But that's just me and your mileage may vary! :)
 
HARRY POTTER said:
Is that competitive advantage worth skipping meals for the next few months? The thing is, I absolutely do not have the financial means to get a BFR/2nd class/IPC any time soon, unless I hit the lotto. Especially without any kind of guarantee it'll get me hired. Either AMF is going to see my app with those boxes unchecked and throw it in the trash immediately, or they won't. If they don't just chuck it out on sight, I'd like to know, so I can keep hope alive and maybe re-apply ever few weeks. If being out of currency is an automatic disqualification, then I'll just give up on it. I'll wait a months/years to get all those IPC/BFR/medical things taken care of once things pick up again so I have a better chance of not having spent all that money to remain unemployed.

Basically I'd rather not get a BFR and let it result in me having zero chances of getting a job, rather than spend a lot of money to get the BFR, because then it only results in a slightly higher than zero chance of me getting a job. The money just ain't worth it these days.

It'd be great to hear some real data straight from the horses mouths (recently hired pilots who may not have been current), other than just people's opinions and wild guesses. Not that I don't appreciate that or anything, but it's just not as helpful.
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This has gone on way too long..

Do whatever it takes to make yourself more marketable.. Work a little longer at your job to make a little extra cash, Go out the the airport and offer to wash some planes, Offer to clean leaves/trash out of someone's yard for money, Shovel snow for money, Give up eating out until you have the extra cash, Give up cable/internet.. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PAY FOR MED AND BFR..

Why sit on the computer and argue with people that know certain things at the company you want to apply at?
 
Boris Badenov said:
Dude. I said I did it at FLX flying a 210 in 2005. On the other hand, the guy you're getting mad at was a training captain for Amflight much more recently than that. I'd suggest that you do yourself a favor and listen to the Amflight vets who are to a man saying "get current". Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but dems da breaks.
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I'm not getting "mad" at anyone. I sense that you all are getting mad a me because I dare not kowtow to the superior baseless anecdotes of those who left AMF over 2 years ago, or who have never had anything to do with AMF ever.

The poster you're refering to, I had to go back a few pages to learn he "left in July of 2007". Back in those days I imagine most people were probably starting at AMF less than 24 calendar months after their discovery flight. No offense or anything, but 2.5 year old anecdotes in this industry don't mean much.
 
HARRY POTTER said:
I'm not getting "mad" at anyone. I sense that you all are getting mad a me because I dare not kowtow to the superior baseless anecdotes of those who left AMF over 2 years ago, or who have never had anything to do with AMF ever.

The poster you're refering to, I had to go back a few pages to learn he "left in July of 2007". Back in those days I imagine most people were probably starting at AMF less than 24 calendar months after their discovery flight. No offense or anything, but 2.5 year old anecdotes in this industry don't mean much.
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Good luck, holmes.
 
murphfly said:
This has gone on way too long..

Do whatever it takes to make yourself more marketable.. Work a little longer at your job to make a little extra cash, Go out the the airport and offer to wash some planes, Offer to clean leaves/trash out of someone's yard for money, Shovel snow for money, Give up eating out until you have the extra cash, Give up cable/internet.. WHATEVER IT TAKES TO PAY FOR MED AND BFR..

Why sit on the computer and argue with people that know certain things at the company you want to apply at?
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If I had taken this advice a little over a year ago when I was first laid off, all it would have achieved was to lower my bank account balance. By now the IPC would have expired, the BFR would be half expired, and the medical would have downgraded to a third class. In an economy where there are 5000 pilots unemployed, and something like 4 jobs openings per month, "working hard to earn the money to get a BFR" is not going to save you.
 
HARRY POTTER said:
I'm not getting "mad" at anyone. I sense that you all are getting mad a me because I dare not kowtow to the superior baseless anecdotes of those who left AMF over 2 years ago, or who have never had anything to do with AMF ever.

The poster you're refering to, I had to go back a few pages to learn he "left in July of 2007". Back in those days I imagine most people were probably starting at AMF less than 24 calendar months after their discovery flight. No offense or anything, but 2.5 year old anecdotes in this industry don't mean much.
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Wht is your total time? Time in last year, 6 months, and 90 days? How long have you been out of currency and how much instrument time and multi time do you have?
 
HARRY POTTER said:
If I had taken this advice a little over a year ago when I was first laid off, all it would have achieved was to lower my bank account balance. By now the IPC would have expired, the BFR would be half expired, and the medical would have downgraded to a third class. In an economy where there are 5000 pilots unemployed, and something like 4 jobs openings per month, "working hard to earn the money to get a BFR" is not going to save you.
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Okie dokie bud. I guess you know what's best for you and that works. Good luck with the search! Guess I wasted my money when I paid for a BFR and Medical but then got a job at AMF 6 months ago. I wouldn't know anything about what you're going through...
 
spbrian said:
Wht is your total time? Time in last year, 6 months, and 90 days? How long have you been out of currency and how much instrument time and multi time do you have?
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1447 total, 400ish multi, my BFR currency officially ended Jan 31, just a few days ago. My instrument currency lapsed way back in '08. My last flight was one I did in a Seneca (first time in one) back in June '09, which included an instrument approach. I didn't do that bad on the approach all things considered, which is why I'm not worried about making it through training at various places, as long as they'll let me in.
 
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